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Anastasia Fedorov

How do I get underpayment interest refunded from the IRS?

So I'm in this mess with the IRS about underpayment interest that I don't think I should've been charged. Back in February, I filed early and owed about $2,800. I paid it right away but just got a notice saying I owe an additional $175 for underpayment interest penalties. The thing is, I had enough withholding to cover my 2023 taxes based on my 2022 return (definitely over 100% of what I owed last year). My income went up this year because of a promotion, which is why I ended up owing more, but I thought I was safe from underpayment penalties because of the safe harbor rule. Has anyone successfully gotten underpayment interest removed or refunded? Do I need to call the IRS directly or is there a form I can file? I've checked the IRS website but it's confusing me even more. I'm worried if I call, I'll be on hold forever just to get someone who can't help.

StarStrider

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You're absolutely right about the safe harbor rule! If you had withholding that covered 100% of your previous year's tax liability (or 110% if your AGI was over $150,000), you shouldn't be subject to underpayment penalties regardless of how much more you earned this year. The best approach is to write a letter to the IRS explaining your situation. Include documentation showing that your withholding met or exceeded your 2022 tax liability. Reference IRC Section 6654(d) which covers the safe harbor provisions. Mail this to the address on the notice you received. If you prefer to resolve this faster, you can call the IRS at the number on your notice, but yes, wait times can be long. Have your tax returns for both years handy when you call so you can quickly explain your situation and the exact figures that show you qualified for safe harbor.

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Sean Doyle

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But doesn't the safe harbor rule only apply if you've paid at least 90% of your current year's tax liability? I think there are two different tests, right? What if OP didn't meet either requirement?

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StarStrider

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The safe harbor rule actually has multiple ways to qualify. You either need to pay at least 90% of the current year's tax liability OR 100% of your previous year's tax liability (110% if your AGI exceeds $150,000). For people with increasing incomes, the previous year's tax liability method is specifically designed to protect you from penalties when your income rises unexpectedly. That's why it exists - so you can have certainty about how much to withhold without having to predict your future income perfectly.

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Zara Rashid

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I had almost this exact situation last year and was getting nowhere with the IRS until someone told me about https://taxr.ai and honestly it was a game changer. I uploaded my tax documents and the notice I got, and it analyzed everything and found that I actually qualified for the safe harbor provision just like you're describing. It drafted a response letter with all the specific tax code references that proved I shouldn't have been charged the penalty. The letter worked and I got a notice a few weeks later saying the penalty was removed! What I really liked was that it explained WHY I qualified for safe harbor in language I could understand, so when I eventually had to talk to someone at the IRS, I actually knew what I was talking about instead of just being confused.

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Luca Romano

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Did you need to provide both years' tax returns to the tool? I'm in a similar situation but I'm not sure if I have all my documents organized enough to use something like this.

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Nia Jackson

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Seems kinda sketchy to trust some random website with your sensitive tax info. How do you know they're legit and not just harvesting your data?

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Zara Rashid

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Yes, I uploaded both years' returns since that was necessary to show I met the safe harbor requirement. The system needs to see your previous year's liability and your current year's withholding to make the comparison. It was pretty straightforward - just PDF uploads of my returns. As for security concerns, I totally get the skepticism. I was cautious at first too, but they use the same level of encryption as tax prep software. Plus, they don't need your SSN or anything - just the tax forms themselves with identifying info redacted if you want. You can even remove your SSN from the PDFs before uploading if you're really concerned.

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Nia Jackson

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Ok so I feel like I need to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai after my skeptical comment. I decided to give it a try with my underpayment penalty situation (similar to OP's) and was actually impressed. The analysis was spot on - it identified that I had paid 108% of my previous year's tax liability but was still charged penalties incorrectly. The letter it generated included specific calculations and referenced the exact sections of the tax code that applied to my situation. I sent it in last month and just got confirmation that my penalty was removed! Saved me $290 in penalties that I shouldn't have been charged in the first place. Definitely worth trying if you're dealing with underpayment interest issues.

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CosmicCruiser

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Wait, how does this actually work? Do they have some special line to the IRS or something? I don't understand how they can get through when regular people can't.

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Aisha Khan

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Yeah right. If it was that easy to get through to the IRS, everyone would do it. I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like a scam to get desperate people's money.

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No special line - they use technology to automatically dial and navigate the IRS phone tree, then wait on hold so you don't have to. When a human agent finally answers, their system calls your phone and connects you directly to that agent. It's basically like having someone else wait on hold for you. I was skeptical too, but the alternative was spending hours on hold myself or continuing to wait weeks for letters that might never resolve my issue. The whole point is that it IS hard to get through - that's the problem they're solving. I had my issue resolved in one call after trying unsuccessfully for weeks to handle it myself.

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Aisha Khan

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I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After dismissing it as a probable scam, my underpayment penalty letter was denied and I was desperate to talk to someone at the IRS before paying $430 I didn't think I owed. I tried the service yesterday, and within about 40 minutes, my phone rang and I was connected to an actual IRS agent. The process was exactly as described. Explained my situation about meeting the safe harbor requirement by having withholding that covered 105% of my previous year's tax liability. The agent reviewed my records, agreed I met the safe harbor rule, and removed the penalty on the spot. I was fully prepared to come back here and report that it was a scam, but instead I'm kind of amazed that it actually worked. Saved me hundreds of dollars and hours of frustration.

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Ethan Taylor

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Just wanted to add that you can also file Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement" to request removal of underpayment penalties. Make sure to include all your documentation showing you qualified for the safe harbor provision. I did this last year and it took about 7 weeks, but the penalties were removed and I got my money back.

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Yuki Ito

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Would this work even if I've already paid the penalty? I just went ahead and paid the $220 penalty because I didn't want it to accrue more interest, but now I'm thinking I actually qualified for safe harbor.

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Ethan Taylor

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Yes, it absolutely works even if you've already paid. The Form 843 can be used to request a refund of penalties you've already paid, not just an abatement of unpaid penalties. Just make sure to check the "Interest" box in Item 5a and explain in detail that you're requesting a refund of underpayment interest because you qualified for the safe harbor provision. Include copies of both tax years' returns to prove you met the requirements. Also enter the date you paid the penalty in section 2, and they'll refund it if your request is approved.

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Carmen Lopez

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Has anyone had success getting penalties removed because of personal hardship? I had a medical emergency in 2023 that drained my savings which is why I couldn't make estimated payments, even though I knew I wasn't withholding enough.

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Andre Dupont

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Yes, the IRS does have a "reasonable cause" provision where they can waive penalties for hardship situations. Medical emergencies can absolutely qualify. You'll need to submit a letter explaining the situation with documentation of your medical issues and how they impacted your ability to pay.

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