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Lucy Taylor

Form 5471 is driving me absolutely insane - help needed!

I swear I'm about to lose my mind over this Form 5471 situation. I've had my 2023 tax return extended twice already and STILL haven't filed because I'm waiting for documents from my foreign subsidiary. The original deadline was months ago, and my accountant is pressuring me to get this done, but the overseas office is moving at a snail's pace getting me the financial statements I need to complete this form correctly. Has anyone dealt with this Form 5471 nightmare before? I'm worried about penalties since I know the IRS doesn't mess around with foreign reporting. The company only has about $350K in assets, but apparently that's enough to trigger all these complicated reporting requirements. I'm the majority shareholder (65%) so I can't avoid filing it. Any advice on how to proceed or experiences dealing with Form 5471 delays would be appreciated. Should I just file without complete info and amend later? The stress is killing me!

Connor Murphy

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I've worked with many clients struggling with Form 5471 - it's definitely one of the more complex international reporting requirements. The penalties for not filing or filing incorrectly can be steep (starting at $10,000), so your concern is valid. Here's what I suggest: If you're certain the information is coming but just delayed, you could file another extension request with a detailed explanation of the circumstances. However, since you've already had multiple extensions, you're approaching a point where the IRS may be less flexible. Another option is to file with the best information you currently have available, making reasonable estimates where necessary, and include a statement explaining the situation and that you'll amend when you receive the final documents. This shows good faith effort to comply with requirements while acknowledging the limitations.

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Lucy Taylor

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Thanks for the response. If I go with the "best information available" route, how detailed does my explanation need to be? And would filing this way potentially reduce any penalties if the estimates turn out to be significantly different from actual numbers?

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Connor Murphy

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The explanation should be concise but specific - state which documents you're waiting for, why they're delayed, and what efforts you've made to obtain them. Include approximate dates when you expect to receive them. Filing with estimates and a proper disclosure can help reduce accuracy-related penalties. The IRS generally considers reasonable cause and good faith efforts when determining penalties. Just ensure your estimates are as accurate as possible based on prior years' data or interim statements. When you eventually amend, include a reference to your original disclosure to maintain the connection between the filings.

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Noah Irving

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How does this actually work? I've literally never been able to reach anyone at the IRS about international matters. Are you saying they somehow get you to the front of the phone queue?

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Vanessa Chang

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This sounds like complete BS. I've worked in international tax for 6 years and the IRS simply doesn't provide this level of guidance over the phone. They'll just tell you to read the instructions or consult a professional.

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Madison King

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Have you tried using prior year financial statements and then making adjustments based on interim reports? That's what I did when faced with a similar situation. I took the previous year's numbers, applied known changes from quarterly reports, and created reasonable estimates for my Form 5471. When I finally got the official statements, I filed an amended return with Form 8082 explaining the changes. The key was documenting everything thoroughly - saved all correspondence showing my attempts to get the documents, kept detailed notes on how I arrived at my estimates, etc. Never had any issues with the IRS questioning it.

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Lucy Taylor

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That's a really practical approach I hadn't considered. Did you face any penalties when you amended the return later? And roughly how different were your estimates from the final numbers?

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Madison King

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I didn't face any penalties with the amendment. I think the key factors were: my estimates were reasonable (within about 12% of final numbers), I had documented all my attempts to get the correct information before filing, and I filed the amendment promptly after receiving the final statements. The biggest differences were in some specialized income categories and asset valuations, but the core income and major expense categories were pretty close. I included a detailed reconciliation with the amended return showing exactly how and why each number changed. I think that level of transparency and documentation is what prevented any penalties or further questions.

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Julian Paolo

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Just want to add that if your foreign subsidiary uses a different fiscal year than you do, that can make this even more complicated. My Brazilian company has a fiscal year ending March 31 while my US reports use calendar year. Make sure you're converting the fiscal periods correctly when reporting! I made this mistake once and ended up reporting the wrong periods on Form 5471, which triggered a compliance check from the IRS. Had to do a ton of extra work explaining and correcting everything.

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Ella Knight

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This is such an important point that people miss. Also, remember that currency translation needs to be handled consistently - you can't mix and match methodologies between schedules on Form 5471. The IRS looks for these inconsistencies.

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