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Paolo Romano

Do I need to file Form 5472 for my US-incorporated startup as a Canadian citizen?

I founded a startup around two years ago and incorporated in the US because an accelerator program I got into required it. I'm a Canadian citizen. Since we're running on a shoestring budget while bootstrapping, I hired a local accountant to handle our tax filings to keep costs down. The accountant just sent me a draft of our tax returns, and I think there's an error. He's included Form 5472 in the filing. The reason seems to be that I'm a Canadian citizen who owns more than 25% of the company shares, so I meet the ">25% foreign owner" criteria. Here's the issue though - there are absolutely zero transactions between me personally and the business. I'm not taking any salary, and all expenses in the business are standard operational costs completely unrelated to me personally. This is causing me stress because if Form 5472 is actually required, I'm technically late in filing it and could face penalties! When I was initially shopping around for accounting services, someone mentioned this form. I researched it and believed we were exempt based on the Form 5472 "Who Must File" section, specifically exception #1: *there are no reportable transactions between the reporting corporation and the foreign related party*. Am I reading this correctly? I plan to ask my accountant to reconsider, but since I'm working with a smaller local firm rather than a big accounting company, I wanted to get additional opinions. Has anyone dealt with this situation before?

Amina Diop

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You're on the right track with your understanding. Form 5472 is required for US corporations that are at least 25% foreign-owned, but there are exemptions. The key part you've identified is correct - if there are no "reportable transactions" between you (the foreign related party) and your US corporation, you may qualify for an exemption. However, the definition of "reportable transactions" is quite broad and includes things you might not initially consider. It covers monetary transactions, non-monetary transactions, loans, rent payments, royalties, and even the provision of services without compensation. The IRS has also expanded reporting requirements in recent years. Since you mentioned you're not taking a salary and there are no personal expenses being paid by the company, you might indeed qualify for the exemption. But I'd recommend double-checking if you've provided any services to the corporation without compensation, as that could potentially be considered a reportable transaction.

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But if they're the founder working for the company without pay, wouldn't that count as "services without compensation" that you just mentioned? Seems like that would trigger the filing requirement?

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Amina Diop

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You raise an excellent point. Working for your corporation without compensation can indeed be considered a "reportable transaction" for Form 5472 purposes. This is often overlooked, but providing management services, making business decisions, or contributing your time and expertise without compensation can qualify as a reportable transaction. Even if you're not drawing a formal salary, the IRS might view your contributions of time and expertise to the business as a transaction between a foreign related party and the reporting corporation, which would trigger the Form 5472 filing requirement.

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Javier Torres

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Does this service actually connect you with real tax professionals or is it just an AI thing? I'm curious how they handle complex international tax situations like this one.

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Emma Wilson

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Did you end up having to pay penalties for late filing? I'm in a similar situation but with UK citizenship and worried about the $25,000 penalty I keep reading about.

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They use AI to analyze your documents but have tax professionals review everything. It's not just throwing your stuff into ChatGPT. They specifically focus on US tax requirements for international founders, which is why they caught this issue that my regular accountant missed. For the penalty question - I did have to pay a reduced penalty. I was able to show "reasonable cause" for the late filing because I genuinely didn't understand the requirement applied to my situation. Still cost me around $5,000 though, which was painful for a bootstrapped company.

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Javier Torres

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QuantumLeap

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Malik Johnson

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How does this actually work? I'm confused why the IRS would call you back just because some service asked them to?

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Sounds sketchy tbh. Why would I trust some random service with my tax info when I could just keep calling the IRS myself? And how much does it cost anyway?

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QuantumLeap

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Ravi Sharma

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As a heads up, the Form 5472 rules have changed significantly in recent years. Before 2018, the exception for "no reportable transactions" was more straightforward, but the IRS has expanded the definition of what counts as a reportable transaction. Even if you're not taking a salary, any time you spend working on the business could be considered a service provided without compensation, which IS a reportable transaction. The penalties for not filing are hefty - $25,000 per form. My advice - file the form. It's better to be safe than sorry with international reporting requirements. The IRS is particularly focused on international compliance these days.

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Paolo Romano

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Thanks for this insight! Does that mean even if I'm just making strategic decisions as a founder, that counts as a "service" I'm providing to the corporation? The wording on the IRS site wasn't super clear to me.

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Ravi Sharma

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Exactly. Any work you do for the business - making strategic decisions, planning, management, even just answering emails or taking calls - all of that counts as providing services to the corporation. Even if you're not being paid for this work, the IRS considers these to be "reportable transactions" that trigger the Form 5472 filing requirement. The IRS has been increasingly strict about these international reporting requirements in recent years. The $25,000 penalty per form is not something you want to risk, especially for a bootstrapped startup where that kind of unexpected expense could be devastating.

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Freya Larsen

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I'm in a similar situation but with a twist - I'm a German citizen with a US corporation, but I do take a small salary. My accountant filed Form 5472 but made a mess of it and now I'm dealing with follow-up questions from the IRS. Has anyone used TurboTax or any other software for this form? My accountant wants to charge me another $1500 to fix the issues he created.

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Omar Hassan

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Most consumer tax software doesn't handle Form 5472 well. I tried using TurboTax for my international business stuff last year and ended up having to hire a specialist anyway. For something this specialized with penalties this high, I'd recommend finding a new accountant who specializes in international tax rather than trying to DIY it.

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Carmen Ortiz

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I went through this exact scenario last year as a Canadian founder with a US-incorporated startup. Your accountant is absolutely correct to include Form 5472. The key issue that many founders miss is that even unpaid work constitutes a "reportable transaction" under current IRS rules. When you're making business decisions, developing strategy, or doing any work for your corporation without compensation, the IRS considers this a service provided by a foreign related party (you) to the US corporation. This triggers the Form 5472 requirement regardless of whether money changes hands. The "no reportable transactions" exception that you found is much narrower than it appears. It really only applies if you're a completely passive investor with zero involvement in business operations. Since you're the founder actively running the company, you definitely have reportable transactions. I'd recommend filing the form as soon as possible. If you're late, you can request penalty abatement based on reasonable cause - the fact that you genuinely misunderstood the requirements and sought professional advice can help your case. The $25,000 penalty is no joke for a bootstrapped startup, but acting quickly and showing good faith effort to comply usually results in reduced or waived penalties. Your accountant may be from a smaller firm, but they're giving you correct advice on this one. Better to file it properly now than face the consequences later.

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