Need guidance filling out Form 5472 for foreign shareholder expenses - confused about Part IV reporting
I'm part of a small startup and we're trying to handle our tax stuff in-house as much as possible since we don't have many transactions to report yet. I could really use some advice about Form 5472. We initially hired a freelancer from Upwork to help with our tax reporting, but we also completed our own drafts following the instructions for Forms 1120, 5472, and others. This actually helped us catch and fix several mistakes the freelancer made. I'm still confused about the wording in Part IV of Form 5472 though. Here's my situation: One of our foreign shareholders (who owns more than 25% of the company) paid some business expenses from their PERSONAL foreign credit card. These included about $670 in franchise tax and around $1,900 for various third-party services. Except for the franchise tax, these services weren't directly billed to our corporation, but they were definitely related to our business activities. The Upwork freelancer reported these expenses in Part IV, line 22 (Other amounts paid to the foreign related party). But I'm thinking they should actually go on line 9 (Amounts borrowed and lent) or maybe even in Part VI. From my understanding, the shareholder essentially "lent" the company money by paying these expenses personally. Can someone clarify where these expenses should properly be reported on Form 5472? I want to make sure we're doing this right.
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Freya Larsen
You're right to be careful about Form 5472 - it's a common audit trigger and the penalties for incorrect filing can be steep ($25,000 per form). Based on what you've described, these payments from the foreign shareholder's personal card for company expenses would be considered loans to the corporation. When a shareholder pays corporate expenses from personal funds, it creates a liability on the company's books - essentially the company now owes the shareholder for those expenses. This would most appropriately be reported on Line 9 of Part IV "Amounts borrowed and lent (including interest rates, maturities, and security, if any)" rather than Line 22 which is for "Other amounts paid to the foreign related party." You should also ensure these transactions are properly recorded in your accounting records as loans from shareholder, with appropriate documentation of the expenses paid. The corporation should eventually reimburse the shareholder for these expenses, or formally convert them to additional paid-in capital. If these expenses have been recurring or are substantial, I would also suggest implementing a more formal process for handling company expenses going forward, such as issuing a company credit card or establishing a reimbursement protocol.
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Ravi Kapoor
•Thank you for your detailed response! This makes a lot of sense. So to confirm, if our foreign shareholder paid about $2,570 in total business expenses from their personal card, we should report this on Line 9 rather than Line 22. One follow-up question: do we need to include any specific documentation with our filing to substantiate this loan arrangement? We haven't formally documented it as a loan with interest rates or terms, it was more of an informal "I'll cover this for now" situation.
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Freya Larsen
•Yes, you should report the $2,570 on Line 9 of Part IV as amounts borrowed. The IRS views this as a loan regardless of whether formal documentation exists. While you don't need to submit documentation with the filing itself, you should create internal documentation now. Even for informal arrangements, I recommend drafting a simple loan agreement retroactively that specifies it's interest-free and documents the exact expenses covered. This helps if you're ever audited. Also, make sure your accounting records properly reflect this as a shareholder loan on your balance sheet.
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GalacticGladiator
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Omar Zaki
•Does it handle scenarios where the foreign shareholder is also an officer of the company? Our situation gets confusing because sometimes our CEO (30% foreign shareholder) pays for things that could be considered business travel when he visits the US. Not sure if those should be on 5472 or treated differently.
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Chloe Taylor
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GalacticGladiator
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Omar Zaki
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StarStrider
Just wanted to add my experience - we handled a similar situation differently. Our foreign investor (30% shareholder) paid some corporate expenses directly, and our CPA advised us to treat these as capital contributions rather than loans. The key factors in our decision were: 1. There was no expectation of repayment 2. No loan agreement was created at the time 3. The payments were relatively small (under $5k total) We documented this with a corporate resolution acknowledging the payments as capital contributions, which increased the shareholder's basis in the company. This was reported on line 19 of Part IV ("Capital contributions") instead of line 9 or 22. The approach you take really depends on whether there's an expectation of repayment or not.
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Zara Malik
•Wouldn't treating it as a capital contribution have different tax implications for the shareholder though? If they ever sell their shares, wouldn't this increase their basis and potentially reduce capital gains?
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StarStrider
•Yes, treating expenses as capital contributions does increase the shareholder's basis, which would reduce their capital gains taxes if they eventually sell their shares. This is actually beneficial for the shareholder in the long run. It's also cleaner from an accounting perspective since you don't have to track loans and potential interest implications. In our case, since the amounts were relatively small and the shareholder had no expectation of being repaid, the capital contribution treatment made more sense for everyone involved.
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Luca Marino
I think everyone is overlooking the simplest approach here. When a foreign shareholder pays expenses on behalf of the corporation, you can treat this as a reimbursable expense. The corporation should record an account payable to the shareholder, and then when funds are available, reimburse them. This wouldn't need to be reported on Form 5472 at all if the reimbursement is done within a reasonable timeframe and at the exact amount (with no interest or other compensation). It's only when the arrangement becomes a long-term financing solution that it should be treated as a loan or capital contribution requiring 5472 reporting.
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Nia Davis
•This is incorrect and could get the OP in trouble. Any transaction between a reporting corporation and a 25% foreign shareholder must be reported on Form 5472, even if it's just an expense reimbursement. The IRS is very strict about this - the penalties for non-reporting are $25,000 and they're not lenient with this form.
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