Form 5471 and Schedule M filing requirements based on ownership chart for foreign corporations
I've been struggling with this international tax maze for weeks now and I think I've finally figured out the filing requirements based on my company's ownership chart, but wanted to get another set of eyes on this before I submit anything. From what I understand: 1. US Corp A needs to file Form 5471 with Foreign Corp B's information (and also list US individual as a person the form is being filed on behalf of) 2. US Individual needs to file Form 5471 with Foreign Corp A's information But I'm second-guessing myself and wondering if I'm misunderstanding some constructive ownership rules that might mean US Corp A actually needs to file Form 5471 with Foreign Corp A's information instead? Also, I'm completely lost on the Schedule M requirements. Would the Schedule M for Foreign Corp B need to report related party transactions with Foreign Corp A? Or just with US Corp A? Any insight would be greatly appreciated! I've read through the IRS instructions about five times and still feel like I'm missing something.
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Logan Greenburg
You're on the right track with your understanding of Form 5471 filing requirements based on the ownership structure you described. For your first question, your conclusion is generally correct. US Corp A would file Form 5471 for Foreign Corp B if it meets the ownership threshold (usually 10% or more). The US Individual would file Form 5471 for Foreign Corp A if they meet the same threshold. Regarding constructive ownership rules, they can definitely complicate things. These rules attribute ownership from one entity to another in certain situations. However, without seeing your specific ownership percentages and relationships, it's hard to give definitive advice on whether US Corp A has constructive ownership of Foreign Corp A that would trigger additional filing requirements. For Schedule M, you need to report transactions between the foreign corporation (Foreign Corp B) and any related parties. This would include both US Corp A and potentially Foreign Corp A if they meet the definition of related parties under IRC Section 267(b) or 707(b)(1). The key is whether they're connected through ownership in a way that meets these definitions.
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Angelica Smith
•Thanks for the response! Sorry I didn't include the percentages. US Corp A owns 60% of Foreign Corp B. US Individual owns 25% of Foreign Corp A. US Individual also owns 100% of US Corp A. So there's definitely a controlling relationship happening here. Given these percentages, do you think my initial conclusions are still correct? And for Schedule M, would Foreign Corp B need to report transactions with both US Corp A AND Foreign Corp A?
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Logan Greenburg
•Given those percentages, your initial conclusions are mostly correct, but there's more to consider. Since US Individual owns 100% of US Corp A, and US Corp A owns 60% of Foreign Corp B, the US Individual has both direct ownership in Foreign Corp A (25%) and indirect ownership in Foreign Corp B (60% through US Corp A). Under constructive ownership rules, US Corp A would still file Form 5471 for Foreign Corp B as you initially concluded. The US Individual would need to file Form 5471 for Foreign Corp A based on their 25% direct ownership. Additionally, the US Individual would likely need to report indirect control of Foreign Corp B via their ownership of US Corp A. For Schedule M, Foreign Corp B would need to report transactions with both US Corp A and Foreign Corp A. Since US Individual ultimately controls both foreign corporations (directly and indirectly), they are considered related parties under IRC Section 267(b). Any transaction between them would need to be reported on Schedule M.
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Charlotte Jones
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Lucas Bey
•That sounds helpful but I'm curious - how exactly does it work with the constructive ownership rules? Those are what always trip me up. Does it give you specific code references or just general recommendations?
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Harper Thompson
•I'm skeptical about these online tax tools. Did it actually provide advice that was different from what a regular CPA would tell you? International tax is so complex, I'm nervous about trusting algorithms for something that could result in major penalties.
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Charlotte Jones
•The tool actually breaks down the constructive ownership rules in a visual way, showing how ownership flows between entities. It cites the specific sections of the tax code (like Section 958(a) for direct ownership and 958(b) for constructive ownership) and explains how they apply to your situation. I found this much clearer than the explanations I got from some tax professionals. As for your question about the quality of advice - I was skeptical too. What convinced me was that it provided detailed explanations with references to the tax code, recent IRS guidance, and relevant case law. I actually took its recommendations to my CPA who confirmed they were correct. The advantage was that it did in minutes what would have taken my CPA hours to research and explain, saving me money on billable hours.
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Harper Thompson
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Caleb Stark
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Jade O'Malley
•How does that service actually work? I've been trying to get through to the IRS for weeks about my Form 5471 questions. Do they actually get someone on the phone or just put you in line?
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Hunter Edmunds
•This sounds like BS honestly. The IRS doesn't give that kind of specific tax advice over the phone, especially for complex international issues like Form 5471 and constructive ownership. They usually just refer you to the forms, instructions, or tell you to consult a tax professional.
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Caleb Stark
•They use a technology that navigates the IRS phone system and waits on hold for you. When they get an agent, they call you and connect you directly with that person. So you don't wait on hold at all - they do that part for you. You're right that IRS agents won't give detailed tax advice, but they did help me understand which filing requirements applied to my specific situation. They clarified which categories of filers (Category 1-5) applied to each entity in my ownership structure based on the percentages I provided, which was actually really helpful for determining who needed to file what. They also pointed me to specific sections in the instructions that addressed my Schedule M questions.
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Hunter Edmunds
I need to eat my words from my skeptical comment above. After struggling with Form 5471 questions for our multi-tiered international structure, I was desperate enough to try Claimyr. Within 2 hours (while I was in a meeting), I got a call connecting me to an actual IRS international tax specialist. While they couldn't give me specific advice on my tax situation, they walked me through the different filing categories for Form 5471 and helped me understand exactly how constructive ownership applies in a multi-tiered structure. This was WAY more helpful than I expected and saved me from making a major filing error. The agent also clarified that for Schedule M, we needed to report transactions between our foreign corporation and ALL related parties as defined in IRC 267(b), which in our case included another foreign corporation owned by the same US parent. This was exactly the kind of clarification I needed.
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Ella Lewis
Based on the percentages you shared, I think there's another issue you should consider. If US Individual owns 100% of US Corp A, which owns 60% of Foreign Corp B, then US Individual indirectly owns 60% of Foreign Corp B through US Corp A. Under Section 958(a)(2), this indirect ownership means US Individual likely needs to file Form 5471 for BOTH Foreign Corp A (based on 25% direct ownership) AND Foreign Corp B (based on 60% indirect ownership). This is separate from the filing requirement for US Corp A, which still needs to file for Foreign Corp B based on its direct 60% ownership.
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Angelica Smith
•Oh wow, I hadn't even considered that US Individual might need to file Form 5471 for BOTH foreign corporations! That makes a lot of sense though given the indirect ownership through US Corp A. Do you know if there's any streamlined filing process in this situation? Seems like there would be some duplicate information reported if both US Individual and US Corp A are filing Form 5471 for Foreign Corp B.
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Ella Lewis
•Unfortunately, there's not really a streamlined process for this situation. Both US Individual and US Corp A would need to file separate Forms 5471 for Foreign Corp B. However, there is a slight relief provision in the instructions that might help. If multiple US persons are required to file Form 5471 for the same foreign corporation, one person can file a complete Form 5471 with all required schedules. The other person(s) can file a simplified Form 5471 identifying the person who filed the complete form. This is discussed in the "Filing Requirements for Categories of Filers" section of the Form 5471 instructions. The catch is that both filers need to be the same category of filer for this exception to apply. Given your ownership structure, you should review whether both US Individual and US Corp A fall into the same filing category for Foreign Corp B.
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Andrew Pinnock
Has anyone dealt with Schedule M reporting when there are transactions between the two foreign corps but no direct transactions with US entities? In a structure similar to what OP described, our Foreign Corp B does business with Foreign Corp A, but neither directly does business with the US owners.
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Brianna Schmidt
•Yes, those transactions still need to be reported on Schedule M. Schedule M reports transactions between the foreign corporation and any "related persons" as defined in sections 267(b) and 707(b)(1) of the Code. This includes transactions between two foreign corporations that are controlled by the same person or entity, even if that control is indirect. So in your case, if both foreign corporations are related (which it sounds like they are through common ownership), their transactions with each other would need to be reported on each corporation's respective Schedule M.
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Pedro Sawyer
This is a really complex situation that highlights why international tax compliance can be so challenging! Based on the ownership structure you've described, I think you're dealing with multiple overlapping filing requirements that need careful attention. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact of the timing of these filings. Form 5471 is due with your tax return (including extensions), but if you're dealing with multiple entities and multiple filing requirements, you'll want to make sure all the information is consistent across the different forms. Also, don't forget about the potential penalties for late or incorrect filing - they can be substantial for Form 5471 (up to $60,000 per form in some cases). Given the complexity of your structure with the constructive ownership issues, it might be worth having a tax professional review everything before filing, even if you use some of the tools others have mentioned to help with the initial analysis. The Schedule M reporting requirements are particularly tricky because related party transactions can include services, loans, guarantees, and other arrangements that aren't always obvious. Make sure you're capturing all types of transactions, not just sales of goods or services.
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