Form 5471 Help - Deciding Between Category 3, 4, and 5 Filer Status for My US-Foreign Corp Structure

The confusion is understandable! Let me clarify how these categories work for Form 5471. For your first year, you're correct about Category 3 since your US company acquired the shares of the foreign company meeting the 10% threshold (in your case, 100%). Going forward, you'd actually be BOTH Category 4 AND Category 5 filer. Category 4 applies because your US company has control (owning more than 50% of voting power), and Category 5 applies because your foreign company is a CFC (Controlled Foreign Corporation) with a US shareholder owning more than 10% of shares. The reporting requirements aren't getting lighter - when you're multiple categories, you need to fulfill ALL reporting requirements for each category you fall under. The instructions can be confusing because they list the specific schedules required for each category separately. So in future years, you would check boxes for both Category 4 and 5 on the form, and complete all schedules required for both categories.

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Quick tip from someone who's filed Form 5471 for several years: when you're both Category 4 and 5, the Category 4 requirements are more extensive, so in practice, that's what matters most. The IRS is particularly interested in US persons who control foreign corporations. Make sure you keep extremely detailed records of all transactions between your US and foreign entities. This includes loans, payments for services, capital contributions, etc. It's these inter-company transactions that trigger most IRS scrutiny on these forms.

I'm a little confused about this Category 3 thing. If I formed a US LLC last year but only this year acquired shares in a foreign company (about 30% ownership), would I need to file Form 5471 as Category 3? Or does this only apply to people with controlling interest?

This is a great discussion! I'm dealing with a similar situation where our US company owns 85% of a foreign subsidiary. One thing I learned from our tax advisor that might help others here is the importance of tracking the "annual accounting period" mentioned in the Category 4 definition. The 30-day control period doesn't have to align with the US tax year - it's based on the foreign corporation's annual accounting period. So if your foreign entity has a different fiscal year (like April-March), you need to determine control based on that timeline, not the standard January-December US tax year. Also, for those just starting out with international structures, consider setting up proper transfer pricing documentation from day one. Even if you're not transferring much between entities now, having the framework in place makes compliance much easier as you grow. The penalties mentioned earlier are no joke - I've seen companies hit with $50,000+ in penalties for missing Form 5471 filings, so definitely get professional help if you're unsure about anything.

This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where our US C-Corp owns 100% of a foreign subsidiary in Ireland. One additional consideration I'd add for others in similar structures: make sure you understand the implications of the "deemed paid foreign tax credit" rules that can apply to Category 5 filers. If your foreign subsidiary pays corporate taxes in its home country, you may be able to claim credits for those taxes on your US return, but the calculations can get complex. Also, regarding the record-keeping mentioned by others - I learned the hard way that the IRS expects you to maintain these records for at least 3 years after the Form 5471 is filed. This includes not just financial statements, but detailed documentation of ownership changes, inter-company agreements, and even board meeting minutes that show control decisions. For anyone just starting with these filings, I'd strongly recommend setting up a dedicated system to track all foreign subsidiary activities from day one. The reporting requirements are extensive, but being organized from the start makes annual compliance much more manageable.

This entire thread has been incredibly valuable! As someone who's been dealing with Form 5471 filings for the past few years, I want to add one more critical point that I don't see mentioned yet. Be very careful about the "constructive dividend" rules that can apply when you have inter-company transactions between your US and foreign entities. If the IRS determines that services, loans, or other transactions between the entities weren't conducted at arm's length pricing, they can treat the difference as a constructive dividend to the US shareholder. This is especially important for tech companies where you might be sharing intellectual property, providing management services, or making loans between entities. The transfer pricing documentation that Paolo mentioned isn't just good practice - it's essential protection against these constructive dividend adjustments. Also, for those mentioning the various tools and services to help with compliance, I'd add that while these can be helpful for understanding requirements, nothing replaces having a qualified international tax CPA review your specific situation. The penalties are too severe and the rules too complex to rely solely on automated tools, especially in your first few years of filing. One last tip: if you're in a situation where you realize you should have been filing Form 5471 in prior years but didn't, there are voluntary disclosure programs that can help minimize penalties. Don't just ignore it hoping the IRS won't notice - international information returns are increasingly scrutinized.

This has been an absolutely fantastic thread! As someone who just went through my first Form 5471 filing last month, I wish I had found this discussion earlier. I want to add one more practical tip that helped me tremendously: create a detailed timeline document that tracks all ownership changes, control periods, and key dates for both your US and foreign entities. This becomes invaluable when you're trying to determine which categories apply in each tax year, especially if you have multiple ownership changes or corporate restructuring events. For example, we had a situation where we initially formed our foreign subsidiary in July, but didn't transfer certain assets until September, and then had a small equity round in December that slightly changed ownership percentages. Having a clear timeline helped our CPA quickly determine that we were Category 3 for the acquisition, Category 4 for control, and Category 5 for CFC status, but the effective dates were different for each category. Also, echoing what others have said about record keeping - I started using a shared folder system with our accountant from day one that automatically captures all inter-company emails, contracts, invoices, and board resolutions. It's made this year's filing process so much smoother than trying to reconstruct everything after the fact. The learning curve is definitely steep, but with proper organization and professional guidance, it's completely manageable. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences here!