Form 5471 Filing Requirement Dispute with My CPA - Am I Actually Required to File?
I've been going back and forth with my CPA about whether I need to file Form 5471 for my foreign business interest. For the past 4 years, he's been charging me substantial fees (totaling around $22,000) largely because of the complicated Form 5471 preparation and the fear of that $10,000 penalty for incorrect filing. Last month, I had some downtime and decided to research Form 5471 requirements myself using my past returns as reference. After digging into the IRS guidelines, I'm starting to think I might not actually need to file this form at all, and my CPA has been unnecessarily billing me for years. Here's my situation: - I own exactly 50% of a foreign corporation - The other 50% is owned by one non-US person - The corporation is not owned by any US corporate entities - I haven't acquired or disposed of any shares since my initial purchase - I file US tax returns as a resident My CPA's reasoning: - I own more than 10% - I'm a US tax resident - It's a foreign corporation - Therefore Form 5471 is required But my research indicates: - The company isn't a Specified Foreign Corporation (SFC) or Controlled Foreign Corporation (CFC) since US persons don't own more than 50% - I'm not a Category 1 filer since it's neither an SFC nor CFC - Not a Category 2/3 filer as I haven't acquired or disposed of stock (though I did need to file the first year) - Not a Category 4 filer since I don't have control (only 50%, not >50%) - Not a Category 5 filer since the company isn't a CFC (US ownership isn't >50%) Am I interpreting the requirements correctly? Has my CPA been charging me thousands to file a form I don't actually need?
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Taylor Chen
You've done some excellent research here! Based on what you've described, your analysis appears correct. Form 5471 filing requirements are specific to particular categories of filers, and you need to meet at least one of these categories to be required to file. Since you own exactly 50% (not more than 50%), and the other 50% is owned by a non-US person, the corporation doesn't qualify as a CFC because US ownership isn't greater than 50%. And if you haven't acquired or disposed of stock since becoming a US person, you wouldn't fall into categories 2 or 3 either. Many CPAs take an overly cautious approach with international reporting because the penalties are so severe. It's possible your CPA was being extremely conservative to protect you (and themselves) from potential penalties, especially if they weren't international tax specialists. I'd recommend putting your analysis in writing and asking your CPA to specifically explain which filing category they believe applies to you. If they can't point to a specific category that you fall into, you may indeed have been filing unnecessarily.
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Avery Saint
•Thank you for confirming my analysis! I was starting to doubt myself since my CPA seemed so confident. If I determine I didn't need to file Form 5471 for the past three years, would it be appropriate to ask for a partial refund of the fees I paid? Or is that unreasonable since he did perform the work, even if it was unnecessary?
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Taylor Chen
•Requesting a partial refund is reasonable in this situation, especially considering the substantial fees over multiple years. I would approach it professionally - present your research, ask for their explanation of which category applies, and if they can't provide one, request a partial refund specifically for the Form 5471 preparation portion of your fees. Keep in mind that even if the form wasn't required, the CPA did perform the work and likely believed it was necessary. A fair resolution might be a partial refund of a percentage of what was charged specifically for Form 5471 preparation. If your CPA values your business, they should be willing to have this conversation and find a reasonable compromise.
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Keith Davidson
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Ana Erdoğan
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Ana Erdoğan
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Brooklyn Foley
Don't overlook the possibility that your ownership situation might have changed over the years. I had a similar dispute with my accountant about Form 5471, and it turned out we were both partially right. In my case, there had been a corporate restructuring at the foreign company that slightly changed the ownership percentages, pushing US ownership temporarily over 50% for one tax year. So I did need to file for that year but not for others. Could there have been any changes to the corporate structure or ownership percentages that your CPA is aware of that might have triggered the filing requirement, even temporarily?
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Avery Saint
•That's an interesting point! I've owned exactly 50% since the beginning with no changes to the ownership structure. The only change in my situation was becoming a US tax resident 4 years ago (I filed the 5471 that first year as required when acquiring stock as a US person). After that, there have been zero changes to ownership percentages or corporate structure.
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Brooklyn Foley
•Given there haven't been any ownership changes since your initial filing, your analysis looks even more solid. That initial filing when you became a US resident was correct (Category 3 for acquisition), but the ongoing yearly filings wouldn't be required if you don't meet any of the other categories. One more thing to consider - has the foreign corporation ever made any distributions or dividends to you during these years? Sometimes CPAs file Form 5471 if there are distributions because it provides a cleaner way to report them, even if technically not required. Might explain why they've been insistent on filing it.
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Jay Lincoln
The issue might be confusion about the "control" test for Category 4 filers. Some CPAs mistakenly believe that exactly 50% ownership constitutes "control" for Form 5471 purposes, but the IRS definition typically requires MORE than 50% for control. Check Section 957(a) of the tax code - a foreign corp is a CFC if more than 50% of the vote OR value is owned by US shareholders. At exactly 50%, you're right at the edge but don't cross the threshold. Your CPA might be filing "protectively" to avoid potential penalties, but that's an expensive approach if it's not actually required. I'd get a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in international taxation, not just a general tax preparer.
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Jessica Suarez
•I work with international business structures and this is 100% correct. The control test for Category 4 requires MORE than 50% ownership, not exactly 50%. This is a common misconception among accountants who don't specialize in international taxation. That said, there's a specific rule for closely held companies where two 50% owners might both be considered to have "control" in certain circumstances. This usually applies when both owners are actively involved in management decisions. Is that the case with your foreign corporation? Do you and the other owner make joint decisions, or does one of you have more operational control?
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