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Do I need to file Form 5471 when closing a dormant foreign corporation as a US expat?

I'm a US expat living abroad who's been caught in a disagreement between two accountants about IRS filing requirements. While living in Thailand, I owned a dormant foreign corporation that did zero business for several years. My previous accountant always included Form 5471 following Rev Proc 97-20 (the simplified version) with my annual returns. In July 2023, I permanently closed this dormant corporation, following all Thai legal requirements to dissolve the business. Shortly after, I relocated to Vietnam (still living outside the US). When filing my 2023 taxes, my accountant told me I didn't need to include Form 5471 since the corporation had been closed before year-end. I've recently consulted a new tax preparer who says this was incorrect. They're insisting I should file a "streamlined" amendment to my 2023 return to include Form 5471 for the final year - and naturally, they want to charge me an additional $750 for this service. So my questions are: 1) Was my original accountant wrong? Do I actually need to file Form 5471 for the tax year when I closed the dormant corporation? 2) If I do need to file it, would it still be the simplified version under Rev Proc 97-20 (just page 1), or is there some special "final" version required when a foreign corporation is closed? I don't want to pay for unnecessary work, but I also want to stay compliant with my US filing obligations. Thanks for any insights!

Your original accountant was incorrect. When you close a foreign corporation, you absolutely need to file Form 5471 for that final year, even if the corporation was dormant. This is considered a "final return" and the IRS wants to know about the disposition of any assets and the formal closing of the entity. However, there's some good news. Since your corporation was dormant and qualified under Rev Proc 97-20, you can still use the simplified filing procedure for the final year. You won't need to complete the entire Form 5471 with all schedules - just the identifying information on page 1 and Schedule O to report the liquidation/dissolution of the corporation. On Schedule O, you'd indicate the date of the liquidation and that there were no assets distributed (assuming that's the case for your dormant company). The streamlined procedure your new accountant mentioned is likely referring to the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, which is for taxpayers who have failed to report foreign accounts or income. This seems like overkill for just missing a 5471 for a dormant corporation, especially if you've been compliant otherwise.

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Thanks for the clear explanation. So I do need to file, but using the simplified version plus Schedule O. That makes sense. Do you think I should go ahead with amending my 2023 return, or is this something that isn't likely to cause issues given the corporation had no activity or assets?

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I would recommend amending the return. While the risk of penalties might be low for a dormant corporation with no assets or activity, the technical requirement to file still exists. The IRS can impose penalties of $10,000 or more for failure to file Form 5471, even for dormant entities. If you're concerned about the cost, you could either negotiate with your new accountant or consider preparing the amendment yourself if you're comfortable with that. The Schedule O portion is relatively straightforward in your case - you're essentially just reporting the date of dissolution and that no assets were distributed.

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This sounds interesting but I'm a bit skeptical. I've been burned before by tax software that missed things. Does it actually understand the nuances of Rev Proc 97-20 and dormant foreign corporations? My CPA charges me a fortune but at least I know he's looking at everything.

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Just wanted to add - make sure you also check if you need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) for the final year as well if the corporation had any bank accounts. Even if the account was closed during the year, you still need to report it on your FBAR if the aggregate of all your foreign accounts exceeded $10,000 at any point during the year. I closed my dormant UK company last year and almost forgot about this requirement. The FBAR is separate from your tax return and has its own potential penalties.

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Thanks for bringing that up. The company did have a bank account that was closed when I dissolved the entity. The balance was only about $5,000, but I have other personal foreign accounts that definitely put me over the $10,000 threshold. I've been filing FBARs all along, but I'll make sure to include this final corporate account on my FBAR for 2023. Are there any special notations needed on the FBAR to show the account was closed during the year?

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Yes, on the FBAR there's a specific checkbox to indicate the account was closed during the reporting year. Make sure to check that box for the corporate account. You'll still report the maximum value in the account during the period it was open in 2023. Also, keep records showing the closing of the account and the final dissolution of the company for at least 5 years after filing. The FBAR statute of limitations is generally 5 years, and having documentation ready will help if there are any questions.

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One thing nobody has mentioned - if your corporation owned any assets when it was dissolved (even minimal ones), you might have a taxable event when the corporation was liquidated. In most cases, liquidation of a foreign corporation is treated as a sale or exchange that could trigger recognition of gain. But if it was truly dormant with zero assets, this wouldn't apply. Just thought it was worth mentioning as another consideration when closing foreign entities.

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This is an important point. I've seen cases where people thought their corporations were "dormant" but there were still intellectual property rights, receivables, or other intangible assets that had value. The IRS can come after you for unreported income from liquidation.

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Based on my experience handling similar cases, your original accountant was definitely wrong. You absolutely need to file Form 5471 for the final year when closing a foreign corporation, even if it was dormant. This is a critical compliance requirement that many tax preparers miss. However, I'd recommend getting a second opinion on whether you need the "streamlined" amendment your new accountant is suggesting. For a truly dormant corporation with no unreported income, a simple amended return with Form 5471 (using the simplified Rev Proc 97-20 procedures plus Schedule O to report the dissolution) should suffice. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures are typically for cases involving unreported foreign income, which doesn't seem to apply here. Before paying the $750 fee, you might want to consult with a tax professional who specializes in international tax matters to confirm exactly what type of amendment is needed. The cost difference between a simple amendment and a streamlined filing can be significant, and you want to make sure you're not overpaying for unnecessary procedures. Also, don't forget to check your FBAR requirements if the corporation had any bank accounts during 2023, even if they were closed before year-end.

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As someone who's dealt with similar foreign corporation dissolution issues, I'd strongly recommend getting the amendment filed sooner rather than later. The IRS has been increasingly aggressive about Form 5471 compliance, and the penalties can be substantial - up to $60,000 for willful failure to file. However, I agree with others here that you should question whether you need the full "streamlined" procedure. For a dormant corporation with no assets or income, a simple amended return with Form 5471 (page 1 plus Schedule O showing the dissolution) should be sufficient. The streamlined procedures are designed for taxpayers who failed to report foreign income, which doesn't appear to be your situation. Before paying the $750, consider asking your new accountant to break down exactly what they're including in that fee. Are they preparing a full streamlined submission or just a simple amended return? You might be able to negotiate a lower fee for the simpler filing, or even handle it yourself if you're comfortable with tax forms - the Schedule O for dissolution is relatively straightforward when there are no assets to report. Also worth noting: keep detailed records of the Thai dissolution process and any correspondence with Thai authorities. The IRS may want to see proof of the official dissolution date and confirmation that all local legal requirements were met.

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This is really helpful advice about questioning the streamlined procedure vs. a simple amendment. I'm definitely going to push back on my new accountant about the $750 fee and ask for a detailed breakdown of what they're including. One question - when you mention keeping records of the Thai dissolution process, what specific documents should I be holding onto? I have the official dissolution certificate from the Thai Ministry of Commerce, but are there other documents the IRS might want to see if they ever audit this? Also, do you know if there's a specific time limit for filing this amendment? I'm worried about additional penalties if I wait too long, but I also want to make sure I'm not overpaying for unnecessary procedures.

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For documentation, definitely keep the Thai dissolution certificate you mentioned - that's the most important piece. You should also retain any correspondence with Thai attorneys or filing agents who handled the dissolution, records of final tax clearances from Thai revenue authorities, and documentation showing the corporate bank accounts were closed and any remaining funds distributed. If you filed final Thai corporate tax returns or obtained tax clearance certificates as part of the dissolution process, keep copies of those as well. The IRS wants to see that you properly wound up the entity under local law. Regarding timing, there's no specific deadline for voluntary amendments, but the longer you wait, the more questions it might raise if the IRS ever examines your return. Most practitioners recommend filing within 1-2 years of the original due date when possible. Given that your 2023 return was likely due in April 2024, you're still well within a reasonable timeframe. The key is that by filing the amendment voluntarily before any IRS inquiry, you're demonstrating good faith compliance efforts, which typically results in penalty relief or reduced penalties if any are assessed.

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I've been through a very similar situation with my dormant Singapore corporation that I dissolved in 2022. Your original accountant was definitely wrong - the final year Form 5471 is absolutely required even for dormant entities. However, I'd be cautious about that $750 "streamlined" amendment fee. When I dealt with this, I discovered that many tax preparers automatically assume you need the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures when you mention missing international forms, but that's really for cases involving unreported foreign income or assets. For a truly dormant corporation with no activity, you should only need a simple amended return (1040X) with Form 5471 using the Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures plus Schedule O to report the dissolution. This is much less complex and expensive than a full streamlined filing. I'd recommend getting a second quote from another international tax specialist before proceeding. When I shopped around, I found the fees for this type of simple amendment ranged from $200-400, not $750. Some preparers were trying to upsell me on unnecessary procedures. Also, make sure you have your Thai dissolution documentation ready - the official certificate and any final tax clearances. The IRS likes to see proof that you properly wound up the entity under local law.

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This is excellent advice about shopping around for quotes. I'm definitely going to get a second opinion before paying $750. The range you mentioned ($200-400) sounds much more reasonable for what should be a straightforward amendment. Quick question - when you filed your amendment for the Singapore corporation, did you run into any issues with the IRS afterward? I'm trying to gauge whether there are typically follow-up questions or if they just process these amendments routinely when the documentation is clear. Also, did you need to include any specific language in your amendment to explain why the Form 5471 was omitted from the original return, or is it sufficient to just file the corrected forms with Schedule O showing the dissolution?

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In my experience, the IRS processed the amendment without any follow-up questions. I think the key was having clear documentation of the dissolution and using Schedule O to explicitly report the liquidation date and that no assets were distributed. For the amendment explanation, I kept it simple - just included a brief statement on the 1040X explaining that Form 5471 was inadvertently omitted from the original return for the final year of the foreign corporation. No need for a lengthy explanation when the facts are straightforward. The whole process took about 8-10 weeks to get the amended return processed and accepted. I received a notice showing they had updated my account with the additional form, but no penalties were assessed since it was a voluntary disclosure for a dormant entity with no unreported income. One tip - make sure whoever prepares your amendment includes the dissolution date clearly on Schedule O. The IRS wants to see that specific date to close out their records for the foreign entity.

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I went through almost the exact same situation with my dormant Irish corporation that I dissolved in late 2023. Your original accountant was definitely wrong - you absolutely must file Form 5471 for the final year, even for dormant entities. However, I'd strongly question whether you need the expensive "streamlined" procedure your new accountant is pushing. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures are designed for taxpayers who failed to report foreign income or had unreported foreign assets. Since your corporation was dormant with no activity, a simple amended return (Form 1040X) with the basic Form 5471 filing should suffice. When I handled mine, I used the Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures (just page 1 of Form 5471) plus Schedule O to report the dissolution date and confirm no assets were distributed. The total cost was under $300, not $750. Before paying that fee, I'd recommend getting quotes from 2-3 other international tax specialists. Many preparers automatically assume you need streamlined procedures when you mention missing international forms, but that's often overkill for truly dormant entities. Also, make sure you have your Thai dissolution certificate and any final tax clearance documents ready. The IRS likes to see official proof that you properly wound up the entity under local law. The whole amendment process should be relatively straightforward given your situation.

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation! Your experience with the Irish corporation dissolution gives me a lot more confidence that I'm being overcharged. I'm definitely going to shop around for quotes now. The fact that you paid under $300 for what sounds like the identical situation makes that $750 fee seem unreasonable. Quick question - when you filed your amendment, did you need to provide any translation of the Irish dissolution documents, or were the English-language certificates sufficient? I'm wondering if my Thai documents might need certified translations, which could add to the cost. Also, did the IRS process your amendment smoothly, or were there any follow-up requests for additional documentation about the dissolution process?

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Since Ireland is an English-speaking country, I didn't need any translations - the official dissolution certificate from the Companies Registration Office was in English and was accepted without issue. For your Thai documents, you'll likely need certified English translations. The IRS typically requires translations for any foreign-language documents submitted with tax filings. You can usually get these done by a certified translator for around $50-100, which is still much less than the inflated fee you're being quoted for the overall amendment. The IRS processed my amendment without any follow-up requests. I think having clear documentation showing the official dissolution date and the fact that no assets were distributed made it straightforward for them to process. The key was using Schedule O properly to report all the dissolution details. I'd definitely recommend getting those quotes from other preparers. Even with translation costs, you should be able to get this handled for well under $500 total.

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I've been following this thread with interest since I'm dealing with a very similar situation. Just wanted to add one important point that might help others - when you do file the amended return with Form 5471, make sure to attach a clear explanation letter detailing the dissolution process and timeline. In my case with a dormant Canadian corporation I closed last year, I included a brief cover letter with the amendment explaining: (1) the corporation was dormant throughout its existence, (2) the specific date of dissolution under local law, (3) confirmation that no assets were distributed, and (4) that the Form 5471 omission was inadvertent, not willful. This proactive documentation seemed to help with processing - my amendment was accepted without any follow-up questions from the IRS. The letter doesn't need to be lengthy, just factual and clear about the circumstances. Also, echoing what others have said about shopping around for quotes. I paid $275 for a straightforward 1040X amendment with Form 5471 (simplified version) plus Schedule O. That $750 "streamlined" fee definitely sounds excessive for a dormant entity with no unreported income. Get at least two other quotes before proceeding - you'll likely find much more reasonable pricing for what should be a relatively simple filing.

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This is excellent advice about including an explanation letter with the amendment. I hadn't thought about being that proactive with documentation, but it makes sense that providing a clear narrative upfront would help the IRS process everything more smoothly. Your point about the $750 fee being excessive is really reassuring - hearing multiple people confirm they paid under $300 for essentially the same situation gives me confidence to push back on my current preparer. I'm going to start getting quotes from other international tax specialists this week. One follow-up question: when you prepared that explanation letter, did you attach any supporting documentation (like the Canadian dissolution certificate), or did you just reference that you had the official documents available if needed? I want to make sure I include the right level of detail without overwhelming the submission.

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I attached a copy of the official dissolution certificate directly to the amendment package. My reasoning was that since Schedule O requires you to report the dissolution date, having the supporting documentation right there makes it easy for the IRS to verify the information without having to request it later. The letter itself was only about half a page - just the key facts in bullet points. I kept copies of all the Canadian corporate records separately in case they were ever needed, but including the dissolution certificate with the filing seemed to be the right balance. It shows you have proper documentation without creating a massive submission package. Given that your Thai documents will need certified translation anyway, I'd definitely include the translated dissolution certificate with your amendment. The translation cost is a one-time expense that could save you from potential follow-up requests later.

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Based on all the great advice shared here, I wanted to provide an update and hopefully help others in similar situations. After reading through everyone's experiences, I decided to shop around for quotes as suggested. I contacted three different international tax specialists and got quotes ranging from $225 to $350 for a straightforward amended return with Form 5471 (simplified version) plus Schedule O. None of them recommended the expensive "streamlined" procedure - they all confirmed that's typically for cases involving unreported foreign income, which doesn't apply to my dormant corporation situation. I ended up going with a specialist who charged $275 and had extensive experience with foreign corporation dissolutions. They prepared the amendment using the Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures, included Schedule O showing the dissolution date and no asset distribution, and attached a brief explanation letter along with certified English translations of my Thai dissolution documents. The whole process was much more straightforward than my original accountant made it seem. The specialist confirmed that since the corporation was truly dormant with no assets or activity, this should be processed routinely by the IRS without complications. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it saved me from overpaying by nearly $500! For anyone else in this situation, definitely get multiple quotes and question whether you really need expensive streamlined procedures for a dormant entity.

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This is such a helpful update! It's great that you took the time to shop around and found a much more reasonable solution. Your experience really validates what several others mentioned about many preparers automatically pushing expensive streamlined procedures when they're often unnecessary for dormant entities. The $275 you paid sounds very fair for what should be a straightforward amendment, especially including the certified translations of the Thai documents. It's also reassuring to hear that the specialist you chose has specific experience with foreign corporation dissolutions - that expertise probably made the whole process much smoother. Thanks for taking the time to share your final outcome. This kind of real-world follow-up is incredibly valuable for others who might find themselves in similar situations. It shows that with a little research and the right preparation, what initially seems like a complex and expensive problem can actually be resolved quite reasonably.

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This is such a valuable thread for anyone dealing with foreign corporation dissolutions! I'm currently in a similar situation with a dormant Australian corporation that I need to close this year, and reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly helpful. A few key takeaways I'm noting for my own situation: 1. Form 5471 is definitely required for the final year, even for dormant entities 2. The simplified Rev Proc 97-20 procedures can still be used, just need to add Schedule O for dissolution reporting 3. Shop around for quotes - the $750 "streamlined" fee seems to be a common upselling tactic when a simple amendment is sufficient 4. Keep thorough documentation of the dissolution process and get certified translations for foreign-language documents One question I have for the group - has anyone dealt with dissolution reporting when the foreign corporation had multiple years of dormancy before closing? My Australian company has been completely inactive for about 4 years before I'm dissolving it this year. I'm wondering if this longer dormancy period affects the Form 5471 requirements or if it's still just the standard final year filing with Schedule O. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences, especially Paolo for the detailed update on his successful resolution!

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Great question about multiple years of dormancy before dissolution! From what I've seen in similar cases, the length of the dormancy period doesn't change the basic requirement - you still just need to file Form 5471 for the final year when the corporation is actually dissolved. However, there's an important caveat: you need to make sure you were properly filing Form 5471 in all those dormant years leading up to dissolution. If you've been using the Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures consistently throughout the dormancy period, then you should be fine with just the final year filing plus Schedule O. But if there were any years during that 4-year dormancy where you didn't file Form 5471 at all (thinking it wasn't required because the corp was inactive), then you might have additional compliance issues to address beyond just the dissolution year. The good news is that for truly dormant entities with no income or activity, the simplified filing procedures make this relatively straightforward even for multiple years. I'd recommend confirming with your tax preparer that all the dormancy years were properly reported before focusing solely on the dissolution filing. Your takeaways from this thread are spot-on - definitely shop around for quotes and avoid unnecessary streamlined procedures for a straightforward dormant entity dissolution!

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