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Do I need to file Form 5471 when closing a dormant foreign corporation as a US expat?

I'm a US expat living abroad who's been caught in a disagreement between two accountants about IRS filing requirements. While living in Thailand, I owned a dormant foreign corporation that did zero business for several years. My previous accountant always included Form 5471 following Rev Proc 97-20 (the simplified version) with my annual returns. In July 2023, I permanently closed this dormant corporation, following all Thai legal requirements to dissolve the business. Shortly after, I relocated to Vietnam (still living outside the US). When filing my 2023 taxes, my accountant told me I didn't need to include Form 5471 since the corporation had been closed before year-end. I've recently consulted a new tax preparer who says this was incorrect. They're insisting I should file a "streamlined" amendment to my 2023 return to include Form 5471 for the final year - and naturally, they want to charge me an additional $750 for this service. So my questions are: 1) Was my original accountant wrong? Do I actually need to file Form 5471 for the tax year when I closed the dormant corporation? 2) If I do need to file it, would it still be the simplified version under Rev Proc 97-20 (just page 1), or is there some special "final" version required when a foreign corporation is closed? I don't want to pay for unnecessary work, but I also want to stay compliant with my US filing obligations. Thanks for any insights!

Your original accountant was incorrect. When you close a foreign corporation, you absolutely need to file Form 5471 for that final year, even if the corporation was dormant. This is considered a "final return" and the IRS wants to know about the disposition of any assets and the formal closing of the entity. However, there's some good news. Since your corporation was dormant and qualified under Rev Proc 97-20, you can still use the simplified filing procedure for the final year. You won't need to complete the entire Form 5471 with all schedules - just the identifying information on page 1 and Schedule O to report the liquidation/dissolution of the corporation. On Schedule O, you'd indicate the date of the liquidation and that there were no assets distributed (assuming that's the case for your dormant company). The streamlined procedure your new accountant mentioned is likely referring to the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures, which is for taxpayers who have failed to report foreign accounts or income. This seems like overkill for just missing a 5471 for a dormant corporation, especially if you've been compliant otherwise.

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Thanks for the clear explanation. So I do need to file, but using the simplified version plus Schedule O. That makes sense. Do you think I should go ahead with amending my 2023 return, or is this something that isn't likely to cause issues given the corporation had no activity or assets?

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I would recommend amending the return. While the risk of penalties might be low for a dormant corporation with no assets or activity, the technical requirement to file still exists. The IRS can impose penalties of $10,000 or more for failure to file Form 5471, even for dormant entities. If you're concerned about the cost, you could either negotiate with your new accountant or consider preparing the amendment yourself if you're comfortable with that. The Schedule O portion is relatively straightforward in your case - you're essentially just reporting the date of dissolution and that no assets were distributed.

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This sounds interesting but I'm a bit skeptical. I've been burned before by tax software that missed things. Does it actually understand the nuances of Rev Proc 97-20 and dormant foreign corporations? My CPA charges me a fortune but at least I know he's looking at everything.

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I don't believe it. I've tried everything to reach the IRS about international tax questions and it's impossible. Even my accountant says she can't get through most of the time. You're saying this service actually got you connected to someone who could answer specific questions about Form 5471? Sounds too good to be true.

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It's a service that basically calls the IRS for you and waits on hold, then calls you when they have an actual agent on the line. You pick up and you're immediately talking to a real IRS person. No more waiting on hold for hours. When I used it, I got connected to someone in the international tax department who handles Form 5471 questions regularly. You need to be prepared with your specific question when they connect you. I simply asked whether a final Form 5471 is required when dissolving a dormant foreign corporation that had previously been reported using Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures.

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Just wanted to add - make sure you also check if you need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) for the final year as well if the corporation had any bank accounts. Even if the account was closed during the year, you still need to report it on your FBAR if the aggregate of all your foreign accounts exceeded $10,000 at any point during the year. I closed my dormant UK company last year and almost forgot about this requirement. The FBAR is separate from your tax return and has its own potential penalties.

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Thanks for bringing that up. The company did have a bank account that was closed when I dissolved the entity. The balance was only about $5,000, but I have other personal foreign accounts that definitely put me over the $10,000 threshold. I've been filing FBARs all along, but I'll make sure to include this final corporate account on my FBAR for 2023. Are there any special notations needed on the FBAR to show the account was closed during the year?

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Yes, on the FBAR there's a specific checkbox to indicate the account was closed during the reporting year. Make sure to check that box for the corporate account. You'll still report the maximum value in the account during the period it was open in 2023. Also, keep records showing the closing of the account and the final dissolution of the company for at least 5 years after filing. The FBAR statute of limitations is generally 5 years, and having documentation ready will help if there are any questions.

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One thing nobody has mentioned - if your corporation owned any assets when it was dissolved (even minimal ones), you might have a taxable event when the corporation was liquidated. In most cases, liquidation of a foreign corporation is treated as a sale or exchange that could trigger recognition of gain. But if it was truly dormant with zero assets, this wouldn't apply. Just thought it was worth mentioning as another consideration when closing foreign entities.

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This is an important point. I've seen cases where people thought their corporations were "dormant" but there were still intellectual property rights, receivables, or other intangible assets that had value. The IRS can come after you for unreported income from liquidation.

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Based on my experience handling similar cases, your original accountant was definitely wrong. You absolutely need to file Form 5471 for the final year when closing a foreign corporation, even if it was dormant. This is a critical compliance requirement that many tax preparers miss. However, I'd recommend getting a second opinion on whether you need the "streamlined" amendment your new accountant is suggesting. For a truly dormant corporation with no unreported income, a simple amended return with Form 5471 (using the simplified Rev Proc 97-20 procedures plus Schedule O to report the dissolution) should suffice. The Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures are typically for cases involving unreported foreign income, which doesn't seem to apply here. Before paying the $750 fee, you might want to consult with a tax professional who specializes in international tax matters to confirm exactly what type of amendment is needed. The cost difference between a simple amendment and a streamlined filing can be significant, and you want to make sure you're not overpaying for unnecessary procedures. Also, don't forget to check your FBAR requirements if the corporation had any bank accounts during 2023, even if they were closed before year-end.

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