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Jamal Thompson

Foreign-owned Wyoming LLC - Late filing of form 5472 and potential penalties for reportable transactions

Hey tax folks! I'm in a bit of a pickle and hearing different advice from different sources. Looking for anyone with real experience here. I set up a single-member Wyoming LLC back in December 2022 that's foreign-owned (disregarded entity for US tax purposes). I just learned that the registered agent fee I paid counts as a reportable transaction requiring Form 5472, which I didn't file for 2022. Oops. Now I'm getting ready to file my Form 5472 for 2023 and getting conflicting advice about the missed 2022 filing: Option 1: Just file for 2023 and forget about 2022 since "the IRS rarely checks these things anyway" (according to one advisor) Option 2: File for both 2022 and 2023 because either they won't penalize me, or if they do hit me with the $25,000 penalty, I can request first-time penalty abatement. Has anyone dealt with late 5472 filings for foreign-owned SMLLCs? What's the smarter approach here? The last thing I want is to get hammered with massive penalties if the IRS decides to get serious about enforcement. Thanks for any insights!

Mei Chen

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The IRS takes Form 5472 filing requirements very seriously for foreign-owned disregarded entities. The $25,000 penalty for each missed form is not something I'd recommend gambling with. From my experience, the better approach is definitely Option 2 - file both your 2022 and 2023 forms. The payment to your registered agent is indeed a reportable transaction. When you file the late 2022 form, attach a reasonable cause statement explaining why it was late (perhaps you weren't aware of the requirement as a first-time filer). The IRS does have a first-time abatement policy that may help, but it's not guaranteed for information returns like the 5472. Your statement should focus on how you discovered the error and took immediate corrective action once you realized the mistake. Remember that ignoring past filing requirements doesn't make them go away, and the statute of limitations doesn't start running until you actually file.

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CosmicCadet

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What exactly counts as a "reportable transaction" for these forms? Like if I'm a foreigner with a Wyoming LLC, do I need to report every single expense? Or just certain ones?

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Mei Chen

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For foreign-owned disregarded entities, reportable transactions include pretty much any financial transaction with foreign related parties. This includes payments for services, rent, royalties, interest, and even the registered agent fees you mentioned. The form is designed to track transactions between the foreign owner and the US entity. Even small transactions like paying a registered agent fee create a filing requirement. It's quite comprehensive and catches many foreign owners by surprise.

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Liam O'Connor

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Amara Adeyemi

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Does this actually work for international tax situations? I thought most tax software struggles with foreign-owned entity reporting.

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I'm intrigued but skeptical. How does it actually help with the late filing penalty risk? Did you end up having to pay the penalties or did they get waived?

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Liam O'Connor

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Yes, it actually does handle international situations really well. That was my biggest surprise since most tax tools are focused on domestic scenarios only. It specifically identified Form 5472 requirements that applied to my foreign-owned LLC. Regarding penalties, the system helped me craft a detailed reasonable cause statement that I included with my late filing. I outlined exactly when I discovered the requirement and how quickly I acted to correct it. The IRS accepted my explanation and didn't assess the $25,000 penalty. Having the proper documentation and timeline really made a difference.

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Amara Adeyemi

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I was totally in your shoes last year! I had a UK-owned Wyoming LLC and had no clue about the 5472 requirement until my accountant mentioned it casually. I panicked because I was already late for two years. After checking out https://taxr.ai based on recommendations here, I uploaded my LLC formation docs and past transactions. The system immediately flagged that I had multiple reportable transactions including my registered agent payment. What impressed me was how it helped me prepare both the late returns AND drafted a reasonable cause letter explaining my situation. I submitted everything and braced for the worst, but the IRS accepted my explanation without penalties! The detailed analysis of what qualified as "reportable" saved me from missing additional items too. Definitely don't just ignore 2022 - that penalty is no joke if they decide to enforce it.

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Dylan Wright

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NebulaKnight

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Sounds too good to be true. I've tried calling the IRS international tax department for weeks and never got through. Are you saying some service can actually jump the queue somehow?

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It's not magic - they essentially use a system that continuously redials and navigates the IRS phone tree for you. When they finally get through, they call you and connect you directly to the IRS agent. No more waiting on hold for hours or constantly redialing. They don't jump any queues - they're just automating the painful part of getting through the initial systems. Once you're connected, you're talking directly to a regular IRS agent. The difference is you don't waste your whole day trying to get through. It saved me days of frustration and I got clear guidance on exactly how to handle my late filing situation.

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NebulaKnight

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I take back what I said. After my comment, I was desperate enough to try the Claimyr service from COMMENT 4. Honestly shocked that it actually worked - I got a call back in about 90 minutes connecting me to an IRS international tax specialist. The agent reviewed my situation and strongly advised filing both years with a detailed reasonable cause statement. She said that while first-time abatement isn't guaranteed for informational returns like Form 5472, they do consider factors like: - Being a first-time filer - Proactively filing before being contacted by the IRS - Having a clear explanation for why you weren't aware of the requirement - Showing you've taken steps to ensure compliance going forward This was WAY more helpful than the generic advice I was getting elsewhere. Going to file both years this week and include all the documentation she recommended.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Don't listen to anyone telling you to just ignore the 2022 filing. I did that with a similar situation (foreign-owned Florida LLC) and got absolutely hammered with a $25k penalty last year that the IRS refused to abate. The IRS has been massively increasing enforcement on foreign-owned disregarded entities over the past 2 years. They know a lot of people are unaware of the Form 5472 requirement, and they're using it as a revenue source. File both years ASAP with a detailed reasonable cause statement. Include documentation showing when you discovered the requirement and how quickly you acted to comply once you learned about it.

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Dmitry Popov

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Did you try appealing the penalty? I've heard they sometimes reverse the decision on appeal even if they initially refuse to abate.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Yes, I tried appealing through the regular channels but was denied. I then took it to the Taxpayer Advocate Service who reviewed my case but ultimately couldn't help because I didn't have sufficient documentation showing reasonable cause. The key issue was that I couldn't prove when I first learned about the requirement. The lesson I learned was that documenting your discovery of the filing requirement (emails with accountants, dated research, etc.) is critical for building a reasonable cause case. That's why I recommend filing both years immediately and thoroughly documenting the timeline of when you discovered the issue and how quickly you acted.

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Ava Rodriguez

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One thing nobody has mentioned - if you decide to file for 2022, make sure you use the correct form version. The Form 5472 has changed, and using an outdated version can cause processing delays or even rejection. Also, when e-filing your 2022 Form 5472 late, you'll need to attach it to a pro forma Form 1120 with zeros (even though as a disregarded entity you don't actually file a 1120). This trips up a lot of people.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Is there a way to e-file these forms yourself or do you need to go through a tax professional? The IRS website isn't clear about this for foreign owners.

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Ava Rodriguez

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Unfortunately, there's no direct way for individuals to e-file Form 5472 on their own. You'll either need to use professional tax software (which can be expensive) or go through a tax professional. Many foreign LLC owners end up mailing in paper forms with tracking confirmation, which is perfectly acceptable. Just make sure if you go the paper route that you send it to the correct IRS address for foreign entities (different from the standard addresses) and keep proof of mailing and delivery.

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Romeo Quest

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I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation! Foreign-owned Wyoming LLC, missed the 2022 Form 5472 filing because I had no idea about the registered agent fee being reportable. After reading through all these responses, I'm definitely going with Option 2 - filing both years. The consensus seems pretty clear that ignoring 2022 is way too risky given the $25,000 penalty. What's really helpful from this thread is understanding that I need to document WHEN I discovered the requirement and show I acted quickly once I learned about it. I'm going to start gathering all my emails and research from when I first found out about Form 5472 to include with my reasonable cause statement. Quick question for those who've been through this - how detailed should the reasonable cause letter be? Should I include the specific date I learned about the requirement, or just a general timeline? And do I need to attach any supporting documentation beyond the letter itself? Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences. This thread has been way more helpful than the generic advice I was getting from other sources!

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For the reasonable cause letter, be as specific as possible with dates and documentation. I'd recommend including the exact date you discovered the requirement (with supporting evidence like emails or dated research), when you consulted professionals about it, and the timeline of your corrective actions. Attach any supporting docs you have - emails with accountants, dated internet research, communication with the registered agent, etc. The more you can prove you acted in good faith and moved quickly once aware, the stronger your case. One tip: if you consulted multiple sources and got conflicting advice (like you mentioned in your original post), document that too. It shows you were trying to do the right thing but got confused by inconsistent guidance. The IRS appreciates seeing genuine effort to comply rather than willful neglect. Also keep copies of everything you send them - certified mail receipt, all forms, supporting docs. You'll want a complete paper trail if they have any follow-up questions.

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Javier Cruz

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I've been through this exact scenario with my foreign-owned LLC and can confirm that filing both years is absolutely the right call. The $25,000 penalty per missed form is not something the IRS takes lightly, and enforcement has definitely ramped up in recent years. A few practical tips from my experience: 1. When preparing your reasonable cause statement, focus on the fact that you weren't aware of the requirement rather than trying to argue the registered agent fee shouldn't be reportable (it definitely is). 2. Include specific dates - when you formed the LLC, when you first learned about Form 5472, when you started taking corrective action. Documentation is key. 3. Consider having a tax professional review your forms before filing, especially for the 2022 late filing. The penalty is steep enough that it's worth the extra cost to get it right. 4. File the 2022 form as soon as possible. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to argue reasonable cause. The good news is that many people have successfully avoided penalties with proper documentation and a well-crafted reasonable cause statement. Don't let anyone convince you to just ignore the missed year - that's playing with fire given the penalty amount.

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Emily Sanjay

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This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping to find! As someone who's just discovering this requirement myself, I'm wondering - when you say "enforcement has ramped up in recent years," are you seeing this with other foreign-owned LLCs too? I'm curious about point #3 regarding having a tax professional review the forms. Did you end up using a CPA who specializes in international tax, or was a general tax preparer sufficient for the Form 5472? I'm trying to balance the cost of professional help against the massive penalty risk. Also, when you filed your 2022 form late, did you receive any immediate acknowledgment from the IRS, or did you just have to wait and see if they'd assess the penalty? I'm trying to understand what the timeline looks like after filing.

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