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Ravi Choudhury

Form 5472 for Foreign-Owned C-Corp: Question About Starting Filing Late

Title: Form 5472 for Foreign-Owned C-Corp: Question About Starting Filing Late 1 I'm in a bit of a pickle with my business situation. I operate a C-Corporation that's completely owned by foreign investors, and we have reportable foreign transactions. The company was established back in 2019, but we only just realized that we should have been filing Form 5472 this whole time! We've never submitted this form before, and I'm freaking out about the potential consequences. If we start filing Form 5472 this year, will the IRS notice that we missed filing it for previous years (2019-2023)? Could they hit us with massive penalties for those missed filings? The thought of all those potential fines is keeping me up at night. Any insights from people who've dealt with this situation would be super helpful!

9 This is definitely a concern that needs addressing ASAP. Form 5472 is required for foreign-owned U.S. corporations with reportable transactions, and yes, there are substantial penalties for non-filing ($25,000 per form per year). The IRS can potentially notice the sudden appearance of Form 5472 filings and question why they weren't filed previously. However, you may want to consider voluntary disclosure through a qualified submission before they come asking. Many tax practitioners recommend filing the missing forms with a reasonable cause statement explaining why they weren't filed previously - honest mistake, lack of awareness, etc. The IRS does sometimes abate penalties when there's a good faith effort to correct past mistakes, especially if you're coming forward voluntarily rather than being caught in an audit. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to justify.

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5 Thank you for the info! Is there a formal program for this kind of voluntary disclosure? And how far back do we need to go - all the way to 2019?

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9 For Form 5472 specifically, there isn't a formal disclosure program like the ones for offshore accounts, but a "quiet disclosure" approach is commonly used. You'd file the missing forms for all years (yes, back to 2019) with a detailed reasonable cause statement. The statute of limitations doesn't start running until you file the form, so technically the IRS can assess penalties for all unfiled years regardless of how far back they go. That's why addressing all missing years is important for closing potential liability.

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7 Did they help with actually preparing the forms too? Or just analysis? I'm terrible with complex tax forms and wondering if this would solve my actual filing problem.

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11 Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How does this compare to just hiring a professional CPA who specializes in international tax? Seems like with penalties this high you'd want a human expert handling it.

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13 They focused on analyzing my situation and providing guidance rather than preparing the actual forms themselves. Their document analysis identified exactly which transactions needed reporting and created a framework for organizing everything properly. This made it much easier for me to complete the forms accurately. As for comparing to a CPA, I actually used both. I had the taxr.ai analysis first which helped me understand my situation completely, then I took that information to my CPA who was much more efficient (and cheaper) because all the complex analytical work was already done. The CPA actually commented on how well-organized everything was.

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22 Wait, how does this actually work? Do they have some special line to the IRS? I'm confused because I've literally spent hours on hold and never got through.

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11 Sounds like BS honestly. The IRS doesn't give preferential treatment to third parties calling in. I bet they just put you on hold like everyone else and charge you for the privilege.

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3 One thing to consider with Form 5472 compliance - check if you're also required to file FBAR forms (FinCEN 114) or Form 8938 for foreign financial accounts. Often companies with Form 5472 requirements have these additional filing requirements too, and the penalties for those can be even worse.

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12 Do FBARs apply to corporations? I thought those were only for individuals with foreign accounts?

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3 FBARs can absolutely apply to corporations. Any U.S. entity (including corporations) that has financial interest in or signature authority over foreign financial accounts with an aggregate value exceeding $10,000 at any time during the year must file an FBAR. The corporation itself would file its own FBAR separate from any individuals. This is a common misconception that costs companies significant penalties. The FBAR penalties (especially willful ones) can be even higher than Form 5472 penalties in some cases.

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14 If there's been no IRS contact yet, you might qualify for abatement under First Time Penalty Abatement, but I'm not sure if that applies to Form 5472 specifically. Worth asking whoever helps you prepare the forms.

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9 Unfortunately, First Time Penalty Abatement (FTA) typically doesn't apply to international information return penalties like Form 5472. FTA generally applies to failure to file, failure to pay, and failure to deposit penalties, but not to international information return penalties. Form 5472 penalties typically require "reasonable cause" for abatement, which has a much higher standard of proof than FTA. This is why a well-documented explanation of why the forms weren't filed is so important.

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Alice Fleming

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I went through almost the exact same situation with my foreign-owned C-Corp last year. We had missed Form 5472 filings from 2020-2022 and were terrified about the penalties. Here's what I learned: The IRS absolutely can and will assess penalties for all the missed years once they become aware of the situation. Each Form 5472 carries a $25,000 penalty, so the exposure adds up quickly. However, we successfully got all penalties abated by filing the missing forms with a detailed reasonable cause statement. The key was demonstrating that our failure to file was due to reasonable cause and not willful neglect. We documented our good faith efforts to comply with tax obligations, our lack of awareness of the specific Form 5472 requirement, and our prompt action once we discovered the issue. The IRS accepted our reasonable cause argument, and we paid zero in penalties despite owing potentially $75,000. The most important thing is to act quickly and document everything properly. Don't wait - the longer you delay, the harder it becomes to argue reasonable cause. I'd strongly recommend getting professional help with this. The reasonable cause statement is critical and needs to address specific IRS criteria for penalty abatement.

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