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Jayden Reed

How are undistributed funds in a Controlled Foreign Corporation (CFC) reported to the IRS?

I've been thinking about restructuring my software business by creating a consulting division here in the US and setting up an IP holding company offshore. One of the big reasons is to qualify for an entrepreneur visa in a country where we own property, which would eliminate the 90-day stay limitations we're currently dealing with. The offshore company could use pre-tax funds for business investments, hire local staff, and contribute to the local economy. From what I understand, this would make it a Controlled Foreign Corporation (CFC) and would require filing Form 5471. I've also come across information about Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income (GILTI) that can be taxed even without distributing the funds. What I can't wrap my head around is how undistributed funds in the holding company would be reported to the IRS. Some countries don't require any filings if the business doesn't have local earnings - just annual license fees and filing costs. If we're using company capital to purchase property or invest in foreign businesses, that money isn't flowing back to me personally to be taxed - it's staying invested abroad with assets held by the holding company. From what I've read, the IRS can't force a foreign company to provide US reporting. Isn't this basically how major tech companies shift revenue to low-tax jurisdictions and only pay US taxes when they repatriate the money? My CPA firm wanted $12,000 for a comprehensive study on this, which seems excessive for what should be a relatively straightforward discussion before implementing anything. Am I missing something about how these structures work from a US tax reporting perspective?

Nora Brooks

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While I can't offer specific advice for your situation, I can help clarify how CFCs generally work with US tax reporting. When you have a Controlled Foreign Corporation (as defined by the IRS - generally meaning US shareholders own more than 50%), you're right that Form 5471 is required. But here's the important part many people miss: under Subpart F and the newer GILTI provisions, certain types of income are taxable to US shareholders whether or not they're distributed. This was specifically designed to prevent the tax deferral strategy you're describing. GILTI (Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income) specifically targets companies shifting intellectual property offshore. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act created this to ensure US shareholders of CFCs pay a minimum level of tax on foreign earnings. For your specific situation with undistributed funds, you would potentially face tax liability when the CFC earns income, not just when distributing it. Investments made by the CFC aren't necessarily shielded - the IRS looks at the nature of the income and investments. This is definitely more complex than a lunch discussion - it involves international tax treaties, foreign tax credits, and potentially complex anti-avoidance rules. While $12K sounds high, comprehensive international tax planning does require specialized expertise.

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Eli Wang

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Thanks for that overview. So if I understand right, even if my CFC earns money and immediately uses it to buy real estate in that country (not distributing to me), I could still be taxed on that under GILTI? Does it matter what country the CFC is set up in? Like if it's in a country with a tax treaty vs one without?

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Nora Brooks

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Yes, that's right. Even if the CFC earns money and reinvests it immediately into real estate without distributing anything to you, you could still face US tax liability under GILTI. The GILTI provisions essentially require US shareholders to include certain foreign income in their gross income annually, regardless of whether distributions occur. The country does matter significantly. Tax treaties can affect how these rules apply, and the local tax rate is particularly important for GILTI calculations. There's a foreign tax credit mechanism that can offset some US tax liability if the foreign jurisdiction already imposes a significant tax rate. Countries with higher corporate tax rates may result in less additional US tax under GILTI than very low-tax jurisdictions.

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Did their service include any actual tax preparation or filing? Or was it just advisory? $12k seems steep but if they're actually handling the reporting too that seems more reasonable.

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How does this compare to just hiring an international tax specialist? I've talked to a few and they all charge arms and legs but claim DIY options "miss things." Not sure if they're just trying to scare me into paying their fees.

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Ethan Scott

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Lola Perez

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How does this actually work though? You're telling me they somehow magically get through when normal people can't? The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impossible. I'm skeptical.

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Is this really necessary? I've always just used the Taxpayer Advocate Service when I need to reach someone at the IRS. They're free and government-run, unlike this service that's probably charging for something you can do yourself.

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Ethan Scott

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Riya Sharma

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I think you're overlooking the Section 962 election which can be huge for situations like yours. As an individual US shareholder of a CFC, you can elect to be taxed as if you were a domestic corporation on amounts included in your gross income under Section 951(a). This could reduce your effective tax rate on GILTI inclusions significantly - potentially from your individual rate down to the 21% corporate rate. Plus you get deemed paid foreign tax credits that individuals normally don't get. The downside is it creates a second layer of tax when you actually distribute the earnings, but if your plan is long-term reinvestment, it could be very advantageous.

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Jayden Reed

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That's really interesting - I hadn't come across the Section 962 election in my research. So effectively I could pay the lower corporate rate on foreign earnings even without setting up a US corporation? Would this also help with the accumulated earnings issues that someone mentioned earlier? And does it make a difference if the CFC is in a high-tax vs low-tax jurisdiction?

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Riya Sharma

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Yes, the Section 962 election essentially allows you to pay tax at corporate rates on your CFC's income without actually having a US corporation. It's particularly beneficial for GILTI inclusions since you can access the 50% deduction that's normally only available to corporations, potentially reducing your effective rate significantly. For accumulated earnings, it still allows you to defer the second layer of tax until actual distribution, which can be a significant timing advantage if you're planning long-term reinvestment in the business. The jurisdiction's tax rate matters tremendously. In high-tax jurisdictions, the foreign tax credits can sometimes offset your entire US tax liability on the GILTI inclusion. In low-tax jurisdictions, you'll still owe some US tax, but less than you would without the election. This is precisely why country selection is so critical in these structures.

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Santiago Diaz

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This whole conversation is making my head spin. I looked into this same thing and the complexity/cost made me abandon the idea. Between GILTI, Subpart F, 962 elections, PFIC rules, annual reporting... I just keep my business structure simple now. In my experience, smaller businesses (<$5M revenue) often spend more on compliance and international tax experts than they save with these structures. The rules are designed to make it difficult for exactly the scenario you described. Just something to consider before going down this rabbit hole. Maybe explore other visa options that don't require such complex tax structures?

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Millie Long

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What other visa options did you find? I'm in a similar boat and the complexity of international tax seems overwhelming.

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I've been through this exact scenario and want to share some practical insights. The complexity everyone's discussing is real, but it's manageable with the right approach. First, regarding your CPA's $12K quote - that's actually reasonable for comprehensive international tax planning. I paid similar amounts and it saved me significantly more in avoided penalties and optimized structures. The issue isn't the cost, it's finding someone who specializes in this area rather than a generalist CPA. On the technical side, your assumption about undistributed funds being shielded is unfortunately incorrect. Under current rules (post-2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act), the US has largely eliminated tax deferral for CFCs. GILTI inclusions happen annually regardless of distributions, and the rates can be substantial depending on your structure and jurisdiction. However, there are legitimate ways to optimize this. The Section 962 election mentioned above is huge - it can reduce your effective tax rate on foreign earnings from individual rates (up to 37%) down to corporate rates (21% base, potentially lower with deductions). The foreign tax credit calculations become complex but can provide significant relief in higher-tax jurisdictions. My recommendation: start with the comprehensive analysis (whether through a specialist or service like the ones mentioned), understand your actual tax liability under different scenarios, then decide if the benefits still justify the complexity. Don't make structural decisions based on outdated information about how these rules work.

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