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US Resident CEO Transfers Company Ownership to Irrevocable Foreign Trust - Tax Implications?

So I've been running a mid-sized tech company for about 8 years now, and my financial advisor recently suggested a complex strategy that I'm trying to wrap my head around. Basically, I'd transfer my ownership stake (currently about 65% of the company) to an irrevocable foreign trust, but I would continue serving as the CEO with a standard compensation package. The advisor claims this could provide significant tax benefits and asset protection, but I'm extremely concerned about the potential IRS implications. From what I understand, I would no longer be the technical owner of the company, but would still control day-to-day operations as CEO. The trust would be established in Singapore with my children as beneficiaries. My questions are: 1. How would the IRS view this arrangement? Would I still face US tax obligations on the company's profits? 2. Are there reporting requirements for US citizens who establish foreign trusts? 3. Could this trigger any automatic audit flags or compliance issues? Revenue is approximately $3.8M annually with profits around $875K. I'm worried this sounds too good to be true, and I've heard horror stories about offshore arrangements gone wrong. Any insights from those with experience in this area?

Hey there - I work with international tax structures and this is definitely something to approach very carefully. The IRS takes a very serious view of foreign trust arrangements involving US persons. First, you'll need to file Form 3520 (Annual Return to Report Transactions With Foreign Trusts) and the trust itself would need to file Form 3520-A. Failure to file these forms carries substantial penalties - up to 35% of the assets transferred or 5% of the trust's assets. While the trust owns the company, you'd still have reporting requirements as a US citizen. If the foreign trust is considered a "grantor trust" (which it likely would be in your case), you'd still be taxed on the trust's income personally. The IRS looks at control and beneficial interest - not just legal ownership. Additionally, you should be aware of FBAR requirements, potential PFIC rules, and the Controlled Foreign Corporation (CFC) regulations. Your arrangement sounds like it could potentially trigger CFC status, meaning the income would be attributable to you regardless. This type of arrangement absolutely gets scrutiny from the IRS. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a tax attorney specializing in international taxation before proceeding.

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This is super helpful, thanks. One follow-up question - if the trust is truly irrevocable and I have no legal control over it (other than being employed as CEO), wouldn't that avoid the grantor trust classification? Also, would it matter if I wasn't the one who initially established the trust?

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Even with an irrevocable trust where you have no legal control, several factors could still cause it to be classified as a grantor trust. For foreign trusts specifically, Section 679 of the tax code often applies if there's a US beneficiary (like your children), which would make you taxable on the trust income regardless of whether you retain control. Even if you didn't establish the trust directly, the IRS may look at the substance over form. If you were involved in directing the creation or funding of the trust, or if you receive indirect benefits, the IRS may still consider you the grantor. The IRS has extensive experience with these arrangements and has developed detailed rules to prevent exactly this type of planning.

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I'm curious too - did this give you just general info or specific advice for your situation? My attorney quoted me $12k for a proper analysis of an offshore trust arrangement so I'm finding it hard to believe an online tool could replace that kind of expertise.

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Sounds too good to be true. I've been on hold with the IRS for hours multiple times trying to get guidance about foreign trust reporting. The IRS is practically unreachable for complex questions like this. Are you sure you got accurate info? Was it just a general customer service rep or someone who actually understood international tax issues?

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I did something similar last year and regretted it. Even though the structure was technically legal, the annual compliance costs were WAY higher than my advisor estimated. Between Form 3520, Form 3520-A, Form 8938, FBAR filings, and the additional accounting complexity, I ended up spending around $22K annually just to maintain the structure. Plus when I transferred my business to the foreign trust, it triggered a deemed sale for tax purposes and I had to pay capital gains tax on the appreciated value. My advisor failed to mention that part!

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Thanks for sharing your experience. Did you find any benefits at all that made it worthwhile? And how difficult was the process of unwinding the arrangement when you decided it wasn't working?

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Honestly, there were some asset protection benefits, but they weren't worth the compliance headaches and costs. I'd have been better off with a simpler domestic structure and good insurance policies. Unwinding it was a nightmare that took almost 9 months and cost about $35K in legal and accounting fees. The IRS also did a limited review (not a full audit) of the dissolution to make sure everything was properly reported. I had to recognize additional gains when assets came back from the trust too, so there were more tax consequences on the way out.

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Has anyone considered the FIREIGN act provisions that went into effect last year? Those rules significantly changed reporting for certain foreign trusts with US beneficiaries. This is even more complicated if your company has intellectual property that would be transferred to the trust.

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The FIREIGN act isn't a real thing. I think you're confusing several different provisions. Maybe you're thinking of FATCA (Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act) which has been around for years?

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This is exactly the kind of situation where you need to be extremely cautious. I've seen too many business owners get burned by these "too good to be true" offshore arrangements. The reality is that the IRS has decades of experience dealing with these structures and has built extensive anti-avoidance rules specifically to prevent what your advisor is suggesting. Even if you're no longer the legal owner, the IRS will look at the economic substance - you're still controlling the company, benefiting from its success, and your children are the ultimate beneficiaries. A few red flags I'm seeing: 1. Your advisor is downplaying the complexity and costs 2. The "significant tax benefits" claim without mentioning the substantial compliance burden 3. No discussion of the immediate tax consequences of the transfer Before you even consider this, you absolutely need: - A second opinion from a tax attorney (not a financial advisor) who specializes in international tax law - A detailed analysis of ALL the reporting requirements and penalties - A realistic estimate of annual compliance costs - Understanding of the exit strategy and costs if things go wrong I've seen these arrangements cost people hundreds of thousands in penalties and legal fees when they go sideways. The juice is rarely worth the squeeze, especially for a business of your size.

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