International taxation help needed - US-France double tax treaty and LLC implications
I need some help with international tax issues. My business partner has a thriving construction company here in the US, and we're looking at a major expansion by buying out a competitor. His mother, who lives in France (not a US citizen), wants to invest a substantial amount to help fund this acquisition as part of her estate planning strategy. Our accountant is pretty sharp with domestic issues but admits this international situation is outside his comfort zone. The current structure is an operating corporation with some properties held in a separate LLC partnership that leases back to the main company. The plan our accountant suggested is creating a US single-member LLC as a holding company where the mother would own a percentage of the operating company through this structure. She also wants to use this same LLC to make various US stock market investments unrelated to our construction business. She won't have any ownership in the real estate LLC partnership. My main question: Since this would be a disregarded single-member LLC, would dividends from the operating corporation to the LLC be considered paid directly to the French mother? And if so, would that mean a 15% tax rate on those dividends under the US-France double tax treaty? Any insights from someone with international tax expertise would be incredibly helpful! This is a significant opportunity for the business, but we want to make sure the structure is optimal for everyone involved.
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CosmicCrusader
The US-France tax treaty does provide for a reduced 15% withholding rate on dividends in many cases, but there are some important considerations here. Yes, if the French mother owns a single-member LLC, it would be disregarded for US tax purposes. This means the dividends would be considered paid directly to her as the foreign person. The standard withholding rate for dividends paid to non-US persons is 30%, but the US-France tax treaty reduces this to 15% in many situations. However, there are a few important things to consider: First, proper documentation is crucial - she'll need to provide a W-8BEN to claim the treaty benefits. Second, if her ownership percentage in the operating company becomes substantial (typically 10% or more), different rules might apply. Third, the LLC structure creates reporting requirements - she'll need to file Form 5472 annually regarding transactions with foreign-owned disregarded entities. Additionally, she should consider how this income will be taxed in France, as she'll have to report it there as well. France will typically provide a credit for US taxes paid, but their calculation methods might differ.
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Chloe Robinson
•What about the FDAP withholding requirements for the operating company? Don't they need to file some special forms too? And would the mother need to file a US tax return for her LLC?
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CosmicCrusader
•The operating company would need to withhold the appropriate tax amount (likely 15% under the treaty) and file Form 1042 and 1042-S to report the dividend payments and withholding to the IRS. This is part of the FDAP (Fixed, Determinable, Annual, or Periodical) income reporting requirements. As for the French mother, she would need to file Form 5472 annually for the single-member LLC since it's a disregarded entity with a foreign owner. Additionally, if her US-source income exceeds certain thresholds or if she's engaged in US trade or business through the LLC (beyond passive investments), she might need to file Form 1040NR. For passive investment income like dividends with proper withholding, she may not need to file a US tax return, but the LLC investment structure might change this requirement.
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Diego Flores
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Anastasia Kozlov
•How exactly does this work? Do actual tax professionals review your documents or is it just some AI thing that might miss important details? The US-France treaty has some pretty specific provisions that might vary based on the mother's tax situation in France.
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Sean Flanagan
•Did it actually save you money compared to just hiring an international tax specialist? These treaty situations can get really complex and I'm skeptical that an online service would catch all the nuances.
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Zara Mirza
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NebulaNinja
•How does this even work? The IRS never answers their phones. I've been trying for weeks to get clarification about the US-Germany tax treaty for a client.
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Luca Russo
•Sounds fake. I've literally never gotten through to a knowledgeable IRS person, especially for international tax questions. They just transfer you around until you give up. Why would this service work when nothing else does?
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Zara Mirza
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Luca Russo
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Nia Wilson
One thing to consider is whether the French mother would be considered "engaged in a US trade or business" through the LLC activities. If it's just passive investments and dividends, probably not. But if she's actively involved in the business decisions, it could trigger "effectively connected income" tax treatment which is totally different from the dividend withholding rules. Also, has your CPA looked into whether a different structure might be more beneficial? Sometimes a foreign-owned C Corporation as the holding company creates better tax results than a disregarded LLC, especially if you're concerned about US estate tax exposure for the French investor.
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Omar Zaki
•I don't think she'll be actively involved in the business - it's really more of a passive investment. But that's a good point about potentially using a C Corp structure instead. Would that change how the treaty applies? What would be the advantages/disadvantages?
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Nia Wilson
•If she's truly passive, then the disregarded LLC with treaty benefits is probably fine. The treaty would still apply to dividends paid by a C Corporation, but potentially at different rates depending on ownership percentage. The main advantage of a C Corporation structure is that it creates a clearer separation for estate tax purposes. With a disregarded LLC, the French mother would be considered to directly own the US business interests, which could potentially subject those interests to US estate tax if she passes away. A C Corporation creates a blocker that can help shield foreign investors from US estate tax on the underlying business assets. The downside is you'd have potential double taxation of income (corporate level plus dividend level), though the reduced treaty rate helps.
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Mateo Sanchez
Make sure you're considering the Form 8832 "check-the-box" implications here. A single-member LLC is automatically disregarded for US tax purposes unless you elect to have it treated as a corporation by filing Form 8832. Sometimes it's actually beneficial to elect corporate treatment for a foreign-owned LLC to simplify reporting and avoid certain direct ownership issues, even though it creates a separate taxable entity. The French investor should also check with a French tax advisor since the French tax treatment of the LLC might not match the US treatment.
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Aisha Mahmood
•This is really important! France might not recognize the disregarded entity concept the same way the US does. I had a client from Paris with a similar structure and the French tax authorities treated the LLC as a separate entity regardless of the US tax classification, creating a huge reporting headache.
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