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Natasha Petrova

How to claim foreign tax credit on foreign capital gain offset by US capital loss carryover?

Hey everyone, need some advice here. My husband and I are American citizens, and we're dealing with a complicated tax situation. His grandparents in France are selling their vacation home, and he inherited a 20% stake in it a few years back. We're going to be hit with capital gains in France and will have to pay taxes there. Here's the problem - we have a pretty substantial capital loss carryover from some bad investments in 2023 (about $45,000) that will completely offset this gain on our US tax return. From what I understand, this means we'll end up with zero capital gains tax liability in the US, but we'll still be paying taxes to France. Does this mean we can't claim any foreign tax credit since the US sees no taxable gain? I've been wondering if it would be better to generate some additional capital gains from our investments here. We have a small ownership stake in a commercial property through an LLC, and I could potentially sell my interest this year. Would that allow me to use the foreign tax credit from the French property against US capital gains tax? I used to work with a CPA but fired him last year after he gave me questionable advice about rental property depreciation and filed our extension late. I've been doing our taxes myself since then and it's been fine, but this international situation has me totally confused! Any insights would be super appreciated!

You've stumbled onto one of the trickier aspects of foreign tax credits! When you have a foreign capital gain that's fully offset by US capital loss carryovers, you're right that the foreign tax credit becomes problematic. The basic issue is that foreign tax credits are limited to the US tax that would have been imposed on that foreign income. If your capital loss carryover reduces your US taxable income to zero, then technically there's no US tax on that income to credit the foreign tax against. However, you might have options. First, look into whether you can carry over the unused foreign tax credits to another year when you do have foreign income and US tax liability. The IRS allows carryback for 1 year and carryforward for 10 years for unused foreign tax credits. Your idea about generating some capital gains elsewhere this year is actually very strategic. If you realize some capital gains from your LLC investment, you could then use some of your loss carryover to offset those gains while preserving enough foreign income to utilize the foreign tax credits.

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Thank you for explaining this! The credit carryforward is interesting - I hadn't considered that option. If we don't generate other capital gains this year, could we potentially use these credits against ordinary income tax, or does it only apply against capital gains tax specifically? Also, do you know if there's a specific form we need to file to establish the carryforward of the unused foreign tax credit?

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Foreign tax credits can generally be used against US tax on any type of income, not just capital gains tax. The IRS doesn't match specific foreign taxes to specific US taxes - it's more about the overall limitation calculation. So you could potentially use foreign tax credits against ordinary income tax, subject to certain limitations based on the ratio of your foreign income to your worldwide income. For the carryforward, you'll need to file Form 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) for the year you paid the foreign taxes. This establishes your excess credits that can be carried forward. In future years, you'll complete Part III of Form 1116 to claim those carryover credits. Keep detailed records of these carryovers as they can be useful for up to 10 years.

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Something else to consider with your situation is timing the realization of capital gains. You mentioned possibly selling your interest in the LLC this year - have you considered waiting until next year to realize the French property gain? If you could push the French property sale to next year (2026 tax year), you could potentially use some of your capital loss carryover this year against other income (up to $3,000 against ordinary income), and save the rest to offset the foreign gain next year. That way, you won't have as much loss carryover competing with your foreign tax credit. Tax planning across multiple years is sometimes more advantageous than trying to solve everything in the current year.

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Unfortunately, the timing isn't flexible on the French property - the sale is already in process and will definitely close before the end of the year. But your point about multi-year planning is really good. Do you think it would make sense to intentionally NOT use all of my capital loss carryover this year? Like, could I choose to only use part of it to offset some but not all of the foreign gain, allowing me to claim at least some foreign tax credit?

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Yes, you absolutely can choose not to use all of your capital loss carryover in the current year. This is a strategy that many taxpayers overlook. The key is that capital loss carryovers are not automatically applied - you decide how much to use each year. By using only part of your loss carryover, you could maintain some capital gain that would be subject to US tax, creating capacity for the foreign tax credit. This is especially useful if the tax rate in France is higher than the US rate, as you might get more value from the foreign tax credit than from using the capital loss. Just make sure to carefully document your decision and calculations, as it's a bit unusual and might raise questions if you're ever audited. Your tax software might try to automatically apply all available losses, so you may need to override it or make manual adjustments.

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Has anyone actually calculated if it's worth the hassle? If we're talking about a 20% ownership in a French vacation property, what's the likely capital gain here? France's tax rate on real estate capital gains is around 19% plus social charges of about 17.2% if I remember correctly, so around 36.2% total. If the gain is something like $50,000 (just guessing), that's about $18,100 in French tax. Is it really worth all this complicated tax planning just to try to recover that? Sometimes I think we get so caught up in optimizing taxes that we forget to consider if the time and stress are worth the potential savings.

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This is actually a really important point that often gets overlooked! Sometimes the "optimal" tax strategy on paper isn't worth the complexity and potential audit risk. But to play devil's advocate, $18K is still $18K. And if you establish a good system for handling foreign tax credits now, it might pay dividends in the future if there are more international transactions. Plus, there's something deeply unsatisfying about paying tax twice on the same income if it can be avoided.

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I've been following this thread with great interest because I'm dealing with something similar with rental property in Ireland. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact of state taxes on this calculation. If you're in a state with capital gains tax (like California or New York), you might actually have more flexibility than you think. Even if your federal capital gains tax liability is zero due to the loss carryover, you could still owe state capital gains tax on the French property gain. This creates an interesting opportunity - you could potentially use part of your federal loss carryover to offset other gains (like from your LLC interest), while letting the French gain be subject to both federal and state tax. This would give you more "tax capacity" to utilize the foreign tax credit against. The math gets complicated because you'd need to consider whether the foreign tax credit limitation allows you to credit the French taxes against your combined federal and state liability. But it's definitely worth exploring, especially if you're in a high-tax state. Also, have you considered whether the French property qualifies for any step-up in basis when your husband inherited it? Depending on French inheritance law and the US-France tax treaty, there might be less gain than you're expecting.

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