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Jamal Wilson

Need help with US-France tax treaty for foreign investor in US corporation

I'm trying to figure out the tax implications of an international situation and could use some expert advice. My cousin runs a successful shipping and logistics business here in the US. He's currently structured with an operating corporation, plus he has some warehouses in an LLC partnership that leases back to the main business. He has a chance to grow by buying out a competitor, and his uncle (who lives in France) wants to invest in the business. The uncle is pretty wealthy and plans to cover most of the acquisition costs through an equity investment. Our family accountant is knowledgeable but admits he's never handled international tax matters like this. His current suggestion is to set up a US LLC as a holding company where the French uncle would own a percentage of the operating company. The uncle also wants to use this same LLC to make some investments in US stocks that have nothing to do with my cousin's business. The uncle won't have any ownership in the real estate/warehouse partnership. Since this would be a single-member LLC (disregarded entity), would the dividends from the operating corporation to the LLC be considered as paid directly to the uncle? And if so, would the US-France tax treaty mean he pays 15% tax on those dividends? Any advice on this international tax situation would be greatly appreciated!

Mei Lin

This is a good question about international taxation! Single-member LLCs that are disregarded entities are essentially transparent for tax purposes. For a foreign owner like your cousin's French uncle, the IRS would indeed treat dividends paid to the LLC as if they were paid directly to him. Under the US-France tax treaty, French residents typically qualify for a reduced withholding rate of 15% on dividends from US corporations (instead of the standard 30%). However, there are some important considerations here. The uncle would need to provide Form W-8BEN to properly claim the treaty benefits. Without it, the company would have to withhold at the full 30% rate. Also worth noting is that using the same LLC for both the business investment and personal stock investments creates some complexity. The uncle might want to consider having separate entities for these different activities since mixing them could complicate reporting and potential future transactions. Your cousin should also be aware that if the French uncle's ownership percentage gets high enough, there could be additional reporting requirements for foreign-owned US corporations.

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Thanks for the detailed response! Question - does it matter if the operating company is an S-Corp or C-Corp for the treaty benefits? And would there be any advantage to the uncle forming the LLC in a specific state?

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Mei Lin

The corporate structure absolutely matters here. S-Corporations have strict ownership limitations and generally cannot have non-resident aliens as shareholders. So if the operating company is an S-Corp, this structure wouldn't work, and they'd need to convert to a C-Corporation before the French uncle could invest. Regarding state selection for the LLC, this typically doesn't affect federal tax treatment under the treaty, but it can impact state-level taxes and fees. Delaware is popular for its business-friendly laws and privacy protections, while Wyoming and Nevada offer advantages like no state income tax and stronger liability protections. The best choice depends on where the business operates and what other factors are important to your cousin and his uncle.

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How long did the analysis take? I've got a somewhat similar situation with a Mexican investor and our CPA is completely lost with the international aspects.

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Did they actually file your taxes or just give you advice? And how did they handle state-level taxation with the international elements? My situation involves NY state which is notoriously aggressive on foreign-sourced income.

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How does this actually work? Does it just keep calling the IRS for you or something? I've literally spent hours on hold and never get through to anyone who knows about international tax.

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This sounds like BS honestly. I've been told repeatedly by my accountant that the IRS doesn't give tax advice, especially on complex international matters. They just tell you to consult a tax professional. How would a service that just gets you through the phone queue actually help with complex treaty questions?

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It works by continuously calling the IRS for you and navigating their phone tree until it secures an available agent. When an agent is reached, you get a call connecting you directly. It saves you from having to redial constantly or wait on hold for hours. The system is basically automating what you'd be doing manually. I definitely understand the skepticism. You're right that many IRS representatives will just refer you to a tax professional for complex matters. However, if you specifically request the International Taxpayer Assistance Center when you get connected, they do have specialists who can answer specific questions about tax treaties and withholding requirements. They won't provide comprehensive tax planning advice, but they can clarify how specific treaty provisions are interpreted and which forms are required. In my case, I had already consulted with a tax professional but needed clarification on a specific withholding requirement under the treaty, which the international specialist was able to provide.

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Something nobody has mentioned yet is the Form 5472 filing requirements if the French investor owns 25% or more of the company. Foreign-owned US corporations have extra reporting requirements, and the penalties for non-compliance are steep ($25,000+ per violation). Make sure your accountant is aware of these requirements. Also, depending on how the structure is set up, you might need to deal with FIRPTA withholding if there's ever a sale of US real property interests. That's a whole other layer of complexity with international investors.

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Thanks for bringing up Form 5472! I had no idea about these additional requirements. Do you know if there are any specific reporting thresholds we need to be concerned about? The initial investment might be around 30% ownership.

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With 30% ownership, you'll definitely trigger the Form 5472 reporting requirements. The threshold is 25% foreign ownership of a US corporation. This form requires disclosing "reportable transactions" between the US corporation and the foreign related party, which can include dividends, loans, or services provided between them. The form is filed with your corporation's tax return, and as I mentioned, penalties are severe - starting at $25,000 per violation and increasing if the failures continue after IRS notification. Also, there's no statute of limitations if the form isn't filed, meaning the IRS can come after you years later. I'd also recommend looking into Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election) to ensure the LLC is properly classified for tax purposes based on your specific situation. Sometimes making an explicit election rather than relying on default classifications can provide more certainty in international structures.

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Quick question related to this - my dad (Canadian) is thinking of investing in my small manufacturing business. I was planning to use an S-Corp but now I'm confused if that's even allowed with a foreign investor? Do I need to switch to C-Corp?

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Mei Lin

You can't have a non-US citizen/resident as an S-Corp shareholder - it's one of the strict eligibility requirements. If your Canadian father wants to invest, you'd need to switch to a C-Corporation or find another structure. The tax implications are significant, though, as C-Corps face potential double taxation (corporate tax + dividend tax) while S-Corps have pass-through taxation. It's definitely worth consulting with a tax professional to find the optimal structure.

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