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Dividend payment withholding rate for US LLC owned by French individual - 30%, 15%, or 0%?

Title: Dividend payment withholding rate for US LLC owned by French individual - 30%, 15%, or 0%? 1 I need some clarity on dividend withholding requirements. My corporation is about to issue dividends and I'm confused about the correct withholding rate for one particular shareholder. They have a U.S. LLC but it's a single-member LLC owned by a French citizen. Since the LLC is disregarded for tax purposes, should I be withholding at 30% (standard foreign rate), 15% (US-France tax treaty rate), or 0% (since technically the payment is going to a US entity)? The last thing I want is to get this wrong and have issues with the IRS later. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation before?

8 This is a common area of confusion. When you have a single-member LLC that's disregarded for tax purposes, you essentially "look through" the LLC to the actual owner. Since the real owner is a French individual, you need to look at the US-France tax treaty. Under the US-France tax treaty, dividends paid to French residents are generally subject to a reduced 15% withholding rate (instead of the standard 30%). However, to claim this treaty benefit, the French individual needs to provide you with a properly completed Form W-8BEN to certify they're eligible for the treaty benefits. Without the proper W-8BEN, you'd need to withhold at the full 30% rate. The 0% withholding would not apply here because even though the payment is going to a US LLC, that entity is disregarded for tax purposes.

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12 Thanks for the explanation. If the French individual owns the LLC but spends significant time in the US (like 4 months per year), would that change anything about the treaty benefits? Also, who's responsible for filing - the LLC or the individual?

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8 The amount of time spent in the US could potentially affect their residency status for tax purposes. If they spend significant time in the US (typically 183 days or more under the substantial presence test), they might be considered a US tax resident, which would change the withholding requirements. For filing responsibility, since the LLC is disregarded for tax purposes, the French individual would be responsible for filing any required tax forms, not the LLC itself. They would likely need to file Form 1040-NR if they have US-source income.

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15 I had a similar situation last year with my business dealing with international shareholders. I tried figuring it out myself but ended up getting so confused with all the different rules. I finally used https://taxr.ai to analyze all my documents and they parsed through everything including the tax treaty provisions that applied to my specific situation. The tool was really helpful because it flagged exactly which withholding rates applied to each type of shareholder and explained why. In your case, they'd probably confirm what the first commenter said about looking through the LLC to the actual owner, but they might also catch nuances about the US-France treaty that could affect your situation.

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15 It actually does specialize in international tax situations including treaty analysis. You upload your documents and it uses technology to parse through them and identify the applicable rules. It highlighted specific sections of the US-Germany treaty for one of my shareholders that I completely missed. For credentials, from what I understand, they have tax attorneys that develop and verify the system's analysis. The interface breaks down which rules apply to your specific situation and cites the relevant tax code and treaty provisions. It's not just giving generic advice but actually analyzing your specific documents.

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9 Wait, how does this actually work? I thought it was impossible to get through to the IRS these days. I've literally tried calling dozens of times about foreign withholding rules and gave up.

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7 This sounds too good to be true. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impossible to navigate. I'm extremely skeptical that any service could magically get you through to a specialist.

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7 I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it myself since I was desperate for answers about international withholding requirements similar to the OP's situation. The service actually did connect me to an IRS international tax specialist within about 2 hours (versus the 3+ hours I spent on previous attempts without getting through). The agent confirmed that for single-member LLCs owned by foreign individuals, you indeed "look through" to the individual owner and apply the appropriate treaty rate (15% for France) if they provide the proper W-8BEN. They also pointed out that certain types of dividend income might qualify for lower rates under specific treaty provisions, which I wouldn't have known to look for otherwise.

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19 One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that the French individual might qualify for an even lower withholding rate (potentially 5%) if they own a substantial percentage of the corporation. Article 10(2)(a) of the US-France tax treaty provides for a 5% rate if the beneficial owner is a company that owns at least 10% of the voting stock. While the single-member LLC itself doesn't qualify as a "company" for this purpose since it's disregarded, if the French individual owns the LLC as a business entity and that LLC owns more than 10% of your corporation, you might want to look into whether the lower rate could apply.

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1 Thanks, this is really helpful! The French individual does own about 22% of my corporation through his LLC. So potentially the 5% rate could apply? How would he need to document this on the W-8BEN?

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19 In this case, the French individual would need to complete Part II (Claim of Tax Treaty Benefits) of Form W-8BEN very carefully. They would need to specify the 5% rate under Article 10(2)(a) of the treaty and certify that they meet the ownership requirements. The tricky part is that since the actual beneficial owner is an individual (not a company as mentioned in the treaty), there might be additional analysis needed to determine if they qualify for the 5% rate. This is definitely a case where getting specific advice from an international tax specialist would be worthwhile, as the potential tax savings could be significant.

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22 Has anyone dealt with the filing requirements for the French individual in this situation? Would they need to file a US tax return even though they're receiving dividends through a US LLC? I'm in a similar position (but from UK) and wondering what my obligations are.

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8 Yes, the French individual would likely need to file Form 1040-NR (U.S. Nonresident Alien Income Tax Return) to report the dividend income, even though it's received through a disregarded LLC. They would also need to include Form 8833 if they're claiming treaty benefits that reduce the tax below what would otherwise apply. This is particularly important if they're claiming the 5% rate mentioned above instead of the standard 15% under the treaty.

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I've been dealing with similar withholding complexities for our international shareholders and wanted to add a few practical considerations that might help. First, make sure you get the W-8BEN from the French individual well before the dividend payment date. The IRS requires that you have valid documentation in hand before you can apply the reduced treaty rate. If you don't have it, you're required to withhold at the full 30% rate, and then the individual would need to claim a refund later. Second, regarding the potential 5% rate mentioned above - be very careful here. The treaty language specifically refers to companies owning the required percentage, and there's ongoing debate about whether individuals can qualify for this rate even when owning through business entities. I'd strongly recommend getting professional advice before applying the 5% rate to avoid potential penalties. Finally, keep detailed records of your withholding analysis and the documentation you relied on. The IRS can review withholding decisions years later, and you'll want to be able to demonstrate that you made a reasonable, good-faith effort to apply the correct rate based on the information available at the time.

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This is really solid practical advice, especially about getting the W-8BEN documentation in advance. I learned this the hard way when I had to withhold at 30% and then deal with the refund process, which was a nightmare for both me and the shareholder. One question though - what's the typical timeframe for getting a refund if you do end up over-withholding? And does the French individual need to file the 1040-NR in the same tax year as the dividend payment, or can they wait until they have all their documentation together?

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