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Sunny Wang

Does the US IRS consider dividends from a foreign owned company taxable income?

I'm a US citizen living in Thailand and I have my own business set up here as a Thai Limited Company. I'm the 100% owner of this company. I understand how to handle the salary I pay myself - I pay local Thai income tax on it and then I can either use the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion or claim the Foreign Tax Credit on my US return (still figuring out which is better for my situation). But here's my question - I'm thinking about paying myself dividends from my Thai company since there are some tax advantages locally. The dividend tax rate here is lower than regular income tax. What I'm confused about is how the IRS would treat these dividends. Are dividends from my foreign company considered regular dividend income in the US? Is there a different classification for dividends from my own foreign business vs. like owning Apple stock? And do I get any credit for taxes I pay to Thailand on these dividends? I've read through some IRS publications but can't find a clear answer for my specific situation as a sole owner of a foreign business paying myself dividends. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

This is actually a fairly common question for expat business owners. As a US citizen, you're taxed on your worldwide income regardless of where you live, so yes, those dividends from your Thai company are indeed taxable by the IRS. The dividends from your foreign company would generally be reported on Schedule B of your tax return. However, since you own 100% of the company, there are additional reporting requirements. You likely need to file Form 5471 (Information Return of U.S. Persons With Respect to Certain Foreign Corporations) to report your ownership interest and the company's activities. Unlike salary which can qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, dividends are considered passive income and don't qualify for the FEIE. However, you can still claim Foreign Tax Credits for any taxes paid to Thailand on those dividends using Form 1116.

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Thanks for the detailed info. When you mention Form 5471, how complicated is that to fill out? I've heard horror stories about foreign business reporting. And another question - is there any way to avoid double taxation on these dividends between the US and Thailand?

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Form 5471 is definitely one of the more complex IRS forms and many expats hire a tax professional with international experience to help with it. It requires detailed information about your foreign corporation including balance sheets, income statements, and shareholder information. The penalties for not filing or filing incorrectly can be substantial ($10,000+), so it's not something to take lightly. Regarding double taxation, the Foreign Tax Credit is your main tool for avoiding this. You can claim a credit for taxes paid to Thailand on your dividend income, which directly reduces your US tax liability dollar-for-dollar. There's no complete way to avoid reporting the income, but the FTC often prevents you from paying the same tax twice. Just be aware that if Thailand's tax rate on dividends is lower than the US rate, you'll still owe some tax to the US on the difference.

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Caden Turner

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One thing nobody's mentioned is that if your foreign corporation is in a country considered a "low-tax jurisdiction" you might be dealing with GILTI (Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income) rules. This was part of the 2017 tax law changes and it basically forces US shareholders of certain foreign corporations to include some income on their US returns regardless of whether dividends were paid. If Thailand's corporate tax rate is lower than 90% of the US rate (which it likely is), some of your company's income could be considered GILTI and taxable to you even if you don't take dividends. It's another layer of complexity beyond just dividend reporting.

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Sunny Wang

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Wait, are you saying I might have to pay US taxes on money I haven't even taken out of my company as dividends yet? That sounds terrifying. How do I figure out if GILTI applies to my Thai company?

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Caden Turner

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Yes, that's exactly what GILTI can do in certain situations. It was designed to prevent US taxpayers from indefinitely deferring US tax by keeping profits in foreign corporations. The calculation is complex, but essentially if your Thai company's income exceeds a certain return on its tangible assets, the excess could be considered GILTI and taxable to you personally even if the money stays in the company. To determine if GILTI applies, you'll need to look at your company's income, the value of its tangible depreciable business property, and Thailand's corporate tax rates. This is definitely an area where professional help is valuable. Form 8992 is used to report GILTI. You might be able to reduce the impact through something called the "high-tax exception" if Thailand's corporate tax rate is high enough, or through the Section 962 election that someone mentioned earlier. Both strategies can potentially reduce the tax impact of GILTI.

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Has anyone dealt with the Transition Tax (Section 965) that hit a lot of us expat business owners a few years ago? I'm wondering if that's still something to worry about with foreign dividends or if that was a one-time hit?

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Harmony Love

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The Transition Tax was a one-time tax on accumulated foreign earnings as part of the 2017 tax reform. If you've already dealt with that (or started your business after that), you shouldn't have to worry about it again. Now we just have to deal with GILTI every year instead! :-/

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