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I'm curious - has anyone successfully claimed bonus depreciation on a property purchased late in the tax year while qualifying for REP status? We bought our rental on Dec 18 last year and our accountant says we can't claim much since we only owned it for 2 weeks of the tax year.
You can absolutely claim bonus depreciation for a property placed in service in December! The depreciation isn't prorated for bonus depreciation like regular depreciation would be. If you qualify for REP status and the property was placed in service (available for rent) before year-end, you can take the full bonus depreciation. We bought a property on December 22nd last year and were able to claim substantial bonus depreciation to offset our other income because my wife qualified as a REP. The key is making sure the property is "placed in service" before December 31st, which means it's ready and available for rent, not necessarily that you have tenants in place.
For your specific situation, since your wife is a full-time licensed real estate agent working 40+ hours weekly, she should easily qualify for REP status. The key things to focus on now: 1) **Documentation is critical** - Start keeping detailed time logs immediately if you haven't already. Track every hour spent on real estate activities with dates, times, and descriptions. The IRS loves to audit REP claims and contemporaneous records are your best defense. 2) **Material participation for your rental** - Since you're buying late in the year, you'll need to be strategic about meeting the material participation tests for that specific property. The 100-hour test (where you work 100+ hours and more than anyone else) might be more realistic than trying to hit 500 hours in just a few months. 3) **Consider the grouping election** - If you plan to buy multiple rental properties in the future, making an election to group all rental activities as one can make material participation much easier to achieve across your portfolio. 4) **Bonus depreciation timing** - Good news here! As long as your property is "placed in service" before December 31st (ready and available for rent), you can claim the full bonus depreciation amount regardless of when in December you bought it. Make sure to work with a tax professional familiar with REP status - the rules are complex and the audit risk is higher than typical rental property claims.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! Just to make sure I understand correctly - when you mention "placed in service," does that mean we need to actually have the property ready for tenants by December 31st, or is it enough that we close on the purchase? We're looking at a property that might need some minor repairs before we can rent it out. If we close in November but don't finish the repairs until January, would that affect our ability to claim the full bonus depreciation for this tax year? Also, regarding the grouping election you mentioned - is this something we need to do on our tax return for this year, or can we make that election retroactively if we buy more properties in future years?
I've been dealing with this same message for about 10 days now and honestly it's driving me crazy! π The waiting is the worst part because you have no idea if it's going to be resolved in a few more days or if you're about to get hit with some random notice asking for more documentation. What I've learned from lurking in tax forums is that this message can mean anything from "we're just slow" to "something doesn't match up and we need to verify." The frustrating part is there's literally no way to know which one it is until either your refund shows up or you get mail from them. Has anyone here actually called the IRS phone line while having this status? I'm debating whether it's worth the 2+ hour hold time just to potentially be told "wait for a notice" π€·ββοΈ
I called them last week after having this message for 12 days and honestly it wasn't worth the wait π€ Sat on hold for almost 3 hours just to be told "your return is in the review department, wait 21 days from your filing date for a notice." The rep couldn't give me any specifics about what they're reviewing or timeline beyond that. Super frustrating but at least I know it's not just me! The uncertainty is definitely the worst part of this whole process.
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! Got that message 5 days ago and it's been radio silence since. What's really getting to me is how vague it is - like they could literally be reviewing ANYTHING about your return and you have zero visibility into what's actually happening behind the scenes. I've been checking the app obsessively (probably not helping my stress levels lol) but the status hasn't budged at all. The part about "if we need additional information, we'll mail a notice" is what keeps me up at night because who knows how long that could take to arrive or what they might want. From what I've read online, some people get through this in a week, others are stuck for over a month. It seems totally random which is so frustrating when you're trying to plan around getting your refund. Really hoping we both hear something soon! π€
Has anyone dealt with their state's abandoned property laws when dissolving? I'm in a similar situation, and was told that if you can't repay all the shareholder loans, the unpaid portion might need to be reported as abandoned property to the state after dissolution. Seems crazy but my accountant mentioned it.
That doesn't sound right. Abandoned property laws typically apply to things like uncashed checks, unused gift cards, dormant bank accounts, etc. If you're formally forgiving a loan as part of a business dissolution, that's a documented transaction, not abandoned property. Sounds like your accountant might be confusing some concepts here.
One thing to consider that hasn't been mentioned yet is the timing of your dissolution. Since you have substantial outside basis ($135K) and are only getting $7K back, you'll have a significant capital loss. Make sure you understand the capital loss limitations - you can only deduct $3K per year against ordinary income, with the remainder carried forward. Given the size of your loss, this could take decades to fully utilize unless you have capital gains to offset it against. Also, regarding the debt vs. distribution question - since you're the sole shareholder, the tax result is essentially the same. However, from a documentation standpoint, I'd recommend treating the $7K as a partial loan repayment and then formally canceling the remaining debt. This creates a cleaner paper trail showing you attempted to collect what you could before forgiving the balance. Don't forget to file Form 966 within 30 days of adopting the plan of liquidation, and make sure your final 1120S properly reflects the debt cancellation income (even if excluded under Section 108) and the corresponding basis adjustments on your K-1.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I was looking for! The point about capital loss limitations is crucial - I hadn't fully considered that a $128K capital loss would take over 40 years to fully utilize at $3K per year unless I have offsetting gains. Your suggestion about treating the $7K as partial loan repayment makes sense from a documentation perspective. Should I prepare a formal debt forgiveness letter for the remaining balance, or is there a specific IRS form for canceling shareholder debt during dissolution? Also, when you mention Form 966 needs to be filed within 30 days of "adopting the plan of liquidation" - is that when I make the decision to dissolve, or when I file the actual dissolution paperwork with my state?
Great question! As someone who's been self-employed for several years, I can confirm that grouping expenses by category is absolutely the correct approach for Schedule C. The IRS doesn't want to see every individual receipt line-by-line - they want you to use their predefined categories and provide totals. Your method of combining camera gear under "video equipment" and software subscriptions under "software expenses" is exactly right. Just make sure you're using the actual Schedule C categories where possible (like "Office Expenses" for software, "Supplies" for smaller equipment items, etc.). The key thing to remember is that while you report totals on your tax return, you must keep detailed records of every purchase that makes up those totals. In an audit, the IRS will want to see the individual receipts and invoices that support your category totals. So keep everything organized by category in files or folders - that's your backup documentation. With $65k in gross income, you're doing well! Just stay consistent with your categorization method from year to year, and you'll be fine.
This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting out as a freelancer and was worried I was doing something wrong by grouping my expenses. One quick follow-up question - when you mention keeping detailed records organized by category, do you recommend physical folders or is a digital system better? I've been taking photos of all my receipts but wasn't sure if that's sufficient backup for the IRS.
Digital systems are absolutely sufficient and often better than physical files! The IRS accepts digital records as long as they're clear and legible. Taking photos of receipts is a great practice - just make sure the images show all the important details (date, vendor, amount, description). I'd recommend organizing them in folders on your computer or cloud storage by tax year, then by category (Office Expenses, Equipment, Travel, etc.). Some people also use apps like Evernote or even simple Google Drive folders. The key is consistency and being able to quickly find specific receipts if needed. One pro tip: I always rename my digital receipt files with the date and a brief description (like "2024-03-15_Amazon_VideoLights_$247.99.jpg") so they're easy to search and sort. This makes tax prep so much smoother each year!
Your approach is absolutely correct! The IRS actually prefers expenses to be categorized rather than itemized line by line on Schedule C. You should continue grouping related expenses together - your "camera gear" and "editing software" categories make perfect sense. For your video equipment purchases, these would typically go under "Supplies" if they're smaller items, or you might need to depreciate larger equipment purchases over time. Your software subscriptions would generally fall under "Office Expenses" on the actual Schedule C form. The most important thing is maintaining detailed records behind your categorized totals. Keep all your individual receipts, invoices, and payment records organized by category. The IRS won't see these during normal filing, but you'll need them if you're ever audited. Your grouping method won't raise any red flags - it's exactly what the IRS expects to see. Just be consistent with your categorization from year to year and make sure you can tie your totals back to supporting documentation.
This is exactly the reassurance I needed! I've been second-guessing myself all week about whether my categorization method was correct. It's good to know that the IRS actually prefers this approach rather than seeing every single line item. One thing I'm still a bit unclear on - you mentioned that larger equipment might need to be depreciated over time versus going under "Supplies." Is there a specific dollar threshold where this kicks in, or is it more about the expected useful life of the item? I bought some new camera equipment this year that ranged from $500 to $2,000 per item, so I want to make sure I'm handling those correctly. Thanks for the advice about staying consistent year to year - that's a great point I hadn't really considered before!
Great question about the depreciation threshold! There isn't a specific dollar amount that automatically triggers depreciation requirements. Instead, it's primarily based on the useful life of the item - if something is expected to last more than one year in your business, it's typically considered a depreciable asset rather than a current expense. For your camera equipment in the $500-$2,000 range, since these items will likely serve your business for several years, they would generally be treated as depreciable assets. However, you do have some options: 1. Depreciate them over their useful life (usually 5-7 years for camera equipment) 2. Use Section 179 deduction to expense the full cost in the current year (subject to income limitations and other rules) 3. Take bonus depreciation if applicable Given that you made $65k in gross income, Section 179 could be a great option to consider since it allows you to deduct the full cost immediately rather than spreading it over several years. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional or using tax software that can help you determine the most beneficial approach for your specific situation. The key is being consistent with how you treat similar items - don't depreciate one camera and expense another similar one without a valid reason for the different treatment.
Annabel Kimball
I want to emphasize something important that several people have touched on - you absolutely should file Form 4952 even in years when you take the standard deduction if you have investment interest expenses. This is one of the most commonly missed tax planning opportunities I see. The reason is that investment interest expense operates differently from other itemized deductions. While most Schedule A deductions are "use it or lose it" in the year incurred, investment interest has this special carryforward provision that lets you preserve the deduction for future years when you have sufficient investment income to use it against. Here's what I recommend: Even if your total itemized deductions don't exceed the standard deduction threshold, still prepare a "dummy" Schedule A and Form 4952 to calculate and document your investment interest expense carryforward. You don't have to actually file Schedule A if you're taking the standard deduction, but having Form 4952 on file creates the official record for the carryforward. This strategy becomes especially valuable if you're early in your investing career - those small margin interest amounts from today could become significant deductions as your portfolio and investment income grow over time.
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James Maki
β’This is excellent advice! I wish I had known about this "dummy" Schedule A approach earlier. I've been investing for about 3 years now and have been paying margin interest periodically, but I never realized I should be documenting it for carryforward purposes since I've always taken the standard deduction. Looking back at my previous returns, I probably missed out on establishing carryforward amounts that could be useful now that my investment income is growing. It sounds like I should go back and amend those earlier returns to properly document the investment interest expenses I paid. Better late than never, right? Thanks for breaking this down so clearly - the "use it or lose it" vs. carryforward distinction really helps clarify why investment interest is handled differently from other deductions.
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Ezra Collins
This is such a valuable discussion! I wanted to add one more important consideration for anyone dealing with investment interest carryforwards - make sure you're tracking the carryforward amounts correctly across multiple years. The IRS requires you to maintain a running total of your unused investment interest expenses, and this can get complicated if you have carryforwards from multiple years. Each year's Form 4952 should show your prior year carryforward amount on line 4f, your current year investment interest on line 1, and any remaining carryforward on line 4g. I'd also recommend keeping a separate spreadsheet or document that tracks your carryforward balances by year, especially if you're amending multiple prior returns to establish these amounts. This becomes crucial if you ever get audited, as you'll need to show the IRS exactly how you calculated your carryforward amounts and which years they originated from. One last tip - if you're using tax software, make sure it's properly carrying forward these amounts between years. Some programs don't handle investment interest carryforwards as smoothly as they should, particularly if you're switching between different tax preparation methods from year to year.
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Mei Liu
β’This is really great advice about tracking carryforwards across multiple years! I'm just getting started with margin investing and this whole thread has been incredibly educational. One question I have - if I'm using something like TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA, will these programs automatically pull forward my investment interest carryforward amounts from the previous year's return, or do I need to manually enter those amounts each time I file? Also, for someone who's new to this, would you recommend starting that separate tracking spreadsheet right from the first year you have investment interest expenses, even if the amounts are small? It seems like it would be much easier to maintain good records from the beginning rather than trying to reconstruct everything later when the amounts become more significant.
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