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NebulaNomad

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Has anyone here actually maxed out both the employee AND employer portions of their solo 401k? I'm trying to figure out if I can really contribute up to $66,000 for 2025 (I'm under 50) between both parts. My CPA says my employer contribution is limited by my net business profit and I'm trying to calculate exactly how much income I need to earn to max out the entire thing.

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Paolo Ricci

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Yes, I've maxed out my solo 401k. The math works like this: you can contribute $22,500 (2023 limit) as employee regardless of income. For the employer portion, you can contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income after deducting the employer contribution and self-employment tax deduction. It gets complicated due to the circular calculation, but generally you need around $230,000 in net business profit to max out the full $66,000 limit. If your business isn't making that much, you still may be able to get close by maximizing your employee contribution and then calculating the appropriate employer portion based on your actual net profit.

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NebulaNomad

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Thanks for breaking that down! I definitely don't make $230k in my business yet, but good to know I can still do the full employee portion regardless. I'll focus on maxing that out first and then add whatever employer portion I can based on my actual profit.

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Great thread! I want to add one important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're using payroll software to process your solo 401k employee contributions (which some people do to maintain proper documentation), make sure your payroll is processed and the contribution is actually deducted from your pay by December 31st, not just scheduled. I learned this the hard way last year when I scheduled my December payroll to run on January 2nd thinking it would still count for the prior tax year. The IRS considers the contribution made when it's actually deducted from compensation, not when you schedule it or when the funds hit the 401k account. Also, for anyone using a solo 401k loan feature - loan repayments don't count toward your annual contribution limits, but they do need to be made on schedule to avoid being treated as taxable distributions. The loan repayment schedule isn't affected by the December 31st deadline since it's not a new contribution.

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This is such a helpful detail about the payroll processing timing! I'm new to solo 401k contributions and was planning to set up automatic payroll deductions for my contributions. Just to clarify - if I'm paying myself through payroll (as an S-Corp election), the contribution has to actually be withheld from my December paycheck by December 31st, even if the funds don't transfer to the 401k account until a few days later in January? Also, do you know if there are any specific documentation requirements for solo 401k contributions made through payroll vs. direct contributions? I want to make sure I'm keeping proper records for the IRS.

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Isla Fischer

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I'm dealing with the exact same issue! Started having problems Friday night and still can't get through as of this morning. Really frustrating since I also had my weekend blocked off specifically for tax filing. What's been helpful from reading through everyone's experiences is that this seems to be a widespread system issue rather than something on our individual ends. I've tried all the standard troubleshooting steps too - different browsers, clearing cache, different devices - with no luck. Based on the pattern people are describing, it sounds like the system might be working intermittently or only during very low-traffic periods. I'm going to try the early morning approach (maybe 5-6 AM) when fewer people are likely to be online competing for system resources. If that doesn't work by early this week, I think I'll have to seriously consider switching to one of the paid alternatives for this year, even though I've been happily using FFFF for the past several years. It's really disappointing that what should be a reliable government service has these capacity issues every single filing season. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and workarounds - it's reassuring to know this isn't just affecting a few of us!

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I'm in the exact same boat! Been trying since Friday evening with zero success. It's really frustrating because like everyone else here, I specifically planned this weekend around getting my taxes done. @8c6c9fdf3ea5 The early morning strategy sounds like our best bet at this point. I'm going to try around 5:30 AM tomorrow before the weekend rush starts again. From what I'm reading in this thread, it seems like the few people who got through did so during really off-peak hours. What's particularly annoying is that this happens predictably every year during filing season. You'd think after all these years of the same problems, the IRS would have invested in better server capacity or at least given us better communication about outages. I've already started filling out the PDF forms offline as a backup plan, even though it means manually re-entering everything if FFFF comes back online. At least that way I'm making some progress instead of just sitting here refreshing the login page every few hours! Thanks for confirming this is happening to others too - misery loves company, especially when it comes to tax season technical difficulties!

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CosmicCowboy

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I'm experiencing the exact same issue! Been locked out of FFFF since Friday afternoon and it's completely ruined my tax filing plans. I had everything organized and was ready to submit, but keep getting those same error messages and loading screen freezes. What's really frustrating is that I've been using Free File Fillable Forms successfully for the past 4 years without any major issues. This year seems particularly bad with the outages. I've tried every troubleshooting step imaginable - different browsers, clearing cache and cookies, different devices, even tried using my mobile hotspot thinking it might be an ISP issue. Nothing works. Reading through everyone's experiences here, it's clear this is a widespread system problem on the IRS end. The fact that it's affecting so many people who had specifically planned their weekends around filing really highlights how unreliable this service has become during peak season. I'm going to try the early morning approach tomorrow (planning to set an alarm for 5 AM) when server traffic should be at its lowest. If that doesn't work by Monday, I think I'll have to reluctantly switch to a paid service this year, even though it defeats the whole purpose of using the free government option. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - at least we know we're not alone in this annual FFFF nightmare!

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As someone who recently went through a similar inherited IRA situation, I can't stress enough how important it is to get this fixed immediately. Your advisor made a fundamental error that could have serious tax consequences. When my grandmother passed and left me her IRA, I initially worked with an advisor who almost made the same mistake. Fortunately, I caught it before the transfer was completed after doing my own research. Non-spouse beneficiaries simply cannot roll inherited IRAs into their own accounts - this is IRA inheritance 101. The fact that your account is now labeled as a "traditional IRA" instead of "inherited IRA" is a major red flag. This incorrect rollover could be treated by the IRS as a taxable distribution of the entire inherited amount, potentially creating a massive tax bill for you this year. Here's what worked for me when I had to correct a smaller error with my inherited account: - Contact both institutions immediately and use the phrase "administrative rollover error" - Reference Revenue Procedure 2016-47 which allows self-certification for rollover corrections - Get everything in writing, especially acknowledgment that this was advisor/institutional error - Request expedited processing since this affects your current tax year Don't let your advisor minimize this or claim it's "not a big deal." This is exactly the kind of mistake that can cost people tens of thousands in unexpected taxes. The good news is that it's fixable if you act quickly and persistently. Good luck - you've got this!

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Yara Elias

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Thank you for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone who successfully navigated a similar situation. I'm definitely feeling more confident about getting this resolved after reading all the detailed advice here. One question - when you mention using the phrase "administrative rollover error," did you find that certain financial institutions were more responsive to that specific terminology? I'm wondering if there are other key phrases I should use to make sure I get connected to the right department that can actually help with inherited IRA corrections. Also, how long did your correction process take from start to finish? I'm trying to set realistic expectations for how quickly this might get resolved, especially since we're getting closer to year-end and I want to make sure this doesn't create complications for my 2024 taxes.

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Sergio Neal

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This is exactly the kind of situation that makes my blood boil - advisors who don't know basic inherited IRA rules but act like experts! Your advisor made a fundamental error that could cost you thousands in taxes. The silver lining is that this mistake is fixable, but you need to move fast. I went through something similar when my uncle's advisor tried to roll his inherited 401k into a regular IRA. Here's what saved me: First, call both financial institutions TODAY and specifically ask for their "retirement account corrections department" or "IRA specialist." Don't waste time with general customer service. Tell them you need to process a "Revenue Procedure 2016-47 correction for an administrative rollover error." Second, document everything. Get your advisor's mistake acknowledged in writing. If they try to downplay it or blame you, that's a huge red flag about their competence. Third, the correct account title should read something like "Andrew Pinnock as Beneficiary of [Father's Name] IRA" - make sure they get this exactly right when they fix it. You mentioned you were fine following the 10-year rule, which tells me you understand inherited IRA basics better than your advisor apparently does. Trust your instincts here and don't let them convince you this "isn't a big deal." Most institutions will cooperate once they realize the liability exposure from giving incorrect advice. If yours doesn't, escalate to their compliance department immediately.

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CPA Surprise Billing Question - What's Normal Practice?

I need some advice about a situation with our tax accountant that caught me off guard. We've been using the same CPA for our taxes for about 3 years now. Previously, it was always a simple flat rate for filing, and occasionally we'd email with questions about withholding or employment changes. Those quick email consultations had never resulted in additional charges before. Last fall, after having some issues with our returns that needed corrections (which did cause extra work for our accountant), my wife sent an email in October asking about proper withholding under her new contract to avoid similar problems in the future. Our CPA responded within about 25 minutes with guidance. Fast forward to yesterday - we received a $675 invoice labeled as "consultation fee" for that October email exchange. I was completely blindsided since we had no prior discussion about any fees for quick email questions, and there's no formal agreement outlining such charges. Our accountant's justification was that as a professional, his expertise deserves compensation, claiming the question required "over an hour of work" - despite email timestamps showing a much shorter response time. I understand professionals deserve payment for their expertise (I work in a field with billable hours too), but I'm concerned about being billed without any prior rate discussion or agreement. Is this standard practice for CPAs? Should I be upset about this? In my profession, we don't bill without client agreements on rates.

Aisha Khan

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This situation is unfortunately more common than it should be. As someone who's dealt with similar billing surprises, I'd recommend documenting everything - the timestamps, your previous email exchanges that weren't billed, and any informal agreements you had. The key issue here isn't whether CPAs deserve compensation (they absolutely do), but the lack of transparency. Professional service providers should establish billing expectations upfront, especially when changing their practices. The fact that similar consultations were previously free creates a reasonable expectation that this would be too. I'd suggest having a calm conversation with your CPA about establishing clear billing guidelines going forward. Something like: "I respect your expertise and am willing to pay for consultations, but I need to know rates and billing policies in advance so I can make informed decisions about how to seek advice." If they're unwilling to be transparent about future billing or adjust this surprise charge, it might be time to find an accountant who communicates their fee structure clearly from the start.

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Jamal Harris

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This is excellent advice about documentation and setting clear expectations going forward. I'm actually dealing with something similar right now and wondering - when you had that conversation about establishing billing guidelines, did you put the new agreement in writing? I'm worried about having another "he said/she said" situation down the road if we just discuss it verbally.

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Absolutely get it in writing! I learned this the hard way from my first surprise billing incident. After our conversation, I followed up with an email summarizing what we discussed: "Just to confirm our conversation today, going forward you'll notify me if any question will require billable time beyond what's included in our annual service, and your rate for additional consultations is $X per hour with Y minimum billing increment." Then I asked them to reply confirming the terms. This way there's a clear paper trail and no room for misunderstandings later. It actually made our working relationship much better because we both knew exactly what to expect.

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Vince Eh

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now with my tax preparer, so this thread has been incredibly helpful. What really stands out to me is how many people have mentioned the importance of getting billing agreements in writing going forward. One thing I'm curious about - for those who successfully negotiated down surprise bills, did you find that your accountants were generally receptive to the conversation? I'm nervous about approaching mine because I don't want them to think I don't value their work, but a $675 surprise bill for what was described as a quick email response does seem excessive. I think the key takeaway here is that while professional expertise absolutely deserves compensation, the billing process needs to be transparent from the start. It sounds like most reputable firms either include basic consultations in their annual fee or clearly communicate when additional charges will apply before providing the service.

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Sophia Russo

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Most accountants I've dealt with have actually been pretty receptive to these conversations when approached professionally. The key is framing it as wanting clarity going forward rather than attacking their billing practices. Something like "I want to make sure I understand your fee structure so I can be a better client" tends to work well. In your situation, I'd definitely push back on that $675 charge - especially if you can show timestamps proving it wasn't "over an hour of work." The fact that you've had similar email exchanges before without charges gives you solid ground to stand on. Even if they don't waive it entirely, most reasonable professionals will at least reduce surprise bills when presented with evidence that contradicts their time claims. The worst that can happen is they say no, but at least you'll know where you stand and can make an informed decision about whether to stay with them for tax season.

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Yara Khalil

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This is exactly the kind of situation where getting professional guidance really pays off. I faced a similar challenge when transitioning between employers and found that the IRS rules around FSA/HSA overlap are more nuanced than most online resources explain. One thing I learned the hard way is that even if your FSA balance is zero, you may still be considered "covered" by the FSA during any grace period or run-out period specified in your plan documents. This coverage period can extend 2.5 months beyond your employment end date in some cases. The good news is that once your FSA coverage completely ends, you can start HSA contributions immediately (assuming you're enrolled in an HSA-eligible HDHP). You don't have to wait until the next calendar year. And if you become HSA-eligible by December 1st, you might be able to use the last-month rule to contribute the full annual amount, though that comes with the requirement to remain HSA-eligible for the entire following year. I'd strongly recommend reviewing your severance package and benefits documents carefully to identify the exact FSA coverage end date, including any grace periods. Many people overlook this detail and inadvertently make ineligible HSA contributions.

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Amina Sow

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a very similar situation right now - just left a job with an FSA and starting a new role with HSA options. The grace period detail you mentioned is something I completely overlooked. I assumed since I used up most of my FSA funds before leaving, I'd be clear to start HSA contributions right away. Do you happen to know if there's a standard way that grace periods are documented in benefits materials? I'm digging through my old employee handbook now but it's pretty dense. Also, when you say "HSA-eligible HDHP" - are there specific deductible thresholds I should be looking for to make sure my new plan qualifies? Thanks for sharing your experience - it's saving me from potentially making a costly mistake!

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Ella Russell

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Great question! Grace periods are usually buried in the fine print of your Summary Plan Description (SPD) or benefits enrollment materials. Look for sections about "FSA grace period," "run-out period," or "post-employment benefits." It's often in a table format showing coverage continuation timelines. For HSA-eligible HDHPs in 2024, the minimum deductible is $1,600 for individual coverage and $3,200 for family coverage. Your plan also needs to meet maximum out-of-pocket limits ($8,050 individual/$16,100 family). Most importantly, the plan can't provide coverage for medical expenses below the deductible except for preventive care. Your HR department should be able to confirm if your new plan is HSA-qualified - they're usually pretty clear about this since it's a major selling point. If you're still unsure, the plan documents will explicitly state "HSA-eligible" or "HSA-qualified" if it meets IRS requirements. The grace period thing tripped me up too! I found mine mentioned in a tiny footnote that extended my FSA coverage 75 days past my last day of employment. Definitely worth the detective work to avoid IRS penalties later.

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Layla Mendes

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who works in benefits administration - this FSA/HSA overlap issue catches SO many people during job transitions. The confusion is totally understandable because the rules aren't intuitive. One thing I always tell people: contact your previous employer's HR or benefits team directly to get the exact FSA coverage end date in writing. Don't rely on assumptions or trying to interpret plan documents yourself. They should be able to give you a clear date when your FSA coverage (including any grace period) completely terminates. Also, keep detailed records of when you stop FSA coverage and when you start HSA contributions. If the IRS ever questions the timing, you'll want documentation showing you followed the rules correctly. I've seen people get into trouble years later during audits because they couldn't prove they had the proper gap between accounts. The silver lining is that HSAs are incredibly valuable accounts once you can start contributing - especially if your new employer offers a match. Just make sure you get the timing right to avoid any tax complications down the road.

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Nia Thompson

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This is such valuable advice, especially the part about getting the FSA end date in writing from HR! I'm actually going through this exact situation right now and was planning to just estimate based on my last day of work. I hadn't thought about the audit documentation aspect either - that's a really good point about keeping detailed records of the timing gap between accounts. Better to be overly cautious with the IRS than sorry later. Quick question - when you say "proper gap between accounts," is there a minimum waiting period required, or is it just that there can't be any overlap at all? Like if my FSA coverage ends on March 15th, can I start HSA contributions on March 16th, or do I need to wait longer? Thanks for sharing your professional perspective on this - it's really helpful to hear from someone who deals with these situations regularly!

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