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Lucas Lindsey

US/Thai Treaty of Amity - IRS reporting requirements for American business owners

Hey tax folks, I'm looking into starting a business in Thailand under the US/Thai Treaty of Amity and I'm totally confused about my tax reporting obligations to the IRS. From what I understand, this treaty allows Americans to own businesses in Thailand with some special privileges, but I have no clue about the tax implications. So if I establish this business under the Treaty of Amity, it's technically a US company operating in Thailand, right? But if it doesn't conduct any business operations inside the US, does that mean there are no US taxes due? My main questions are: What exactly do I need to report to the IRS? Do I just report my personal salary that I receive in Thailand as foreign income on my US tax return? What about the business itself - does it have reporting requirements even if it doesn't owe US tax? I'll be moving to Thailand later this year and want to make sure I don't mess up my US tax obligations while running this business. Any insights would be super helpful!

Sophie Duck

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While the US/Thai Treaty of Amity gives Americans some advantages for operating businesses in Thailand, it doesn't eliminate your US tax reporting obligations. Here's what you need to know: A company formed under the Treaty of Amity is still subject to US tax reporting requirements if you're a US person (citizen or resident). Even if the company doesn't do business in the US, you'll need to file several forms: For the business itself, you'll likely need to file Form 5471 (Information Return of U.S. Persons With Respect to Certain Foreign Corporations) annually with your personal tax return if you own 10% or more of the company. You might also need to file FinCEN Form 114 (FBAR) if the business has foreign financial accounts exceeding $10,000. For your personal taxes, you'll report your salary and any other income (dividends, etc.) on your US tax return. You may be eligible for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) or Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) to reduce or eliminate double taxation.

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Thanks for the info! Quick question - does the Treaty of Amity actually create a US company or is it still considered a Thai company with special privileges for US owners? Also, if I'm the sole owner, can I treat it as a disregarded entity for US tax purposes?

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Sophie Duck

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The Treaty of Amity doesn't automatically create a US company - it creates a Thai company with special privileges for US citizens/companies. It's still a foreign corporation from the US tax perspective. If you're the sole owner, you may have the option to elect to treat it as a disregarded entity using Form 8832. This would simplify reporting as you'd report the business activities on Schedule C of your personal return rather than filing Form 5471. However, this is a complex election with significant tax implications, so I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional familiar with expat taxation and entity classification before making this decision.

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Logan Chiang

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Anita George

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - even if your Treaty of Amity business doesn't owe US taxes, you still need to file Form 8858 or 8865 annually depending on how you structure the business (foreign branch vs. partnership). Missing these informational returns can result in $10,000+ penalties PER FORM! Also, be aware of GILTI tax (Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income) which might apply depending on your business activities. This can effectively create a US tax liability even if all your income is earned in Thailand.

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Ella Harper

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Could you explain more about this GILTI tax? I thought if I qualified for Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (currently $120,000+) on my salary from my Thai business, I wouldn't owe US tax. Does GILTI override that?

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GILTI (Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income) and the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) are two separate tax provisions that affect different types of income. The FEIE only applies to earned income like salary or self-employment income. It doesn't apply to business income earned through a corporation. GILTI specifically targets income earned by US shareholders from certain foreign corporations - basically, the US wants to make sure you can't indefinitely defer US tax by keeping profits in a foreign corporation. If you own a Thai corporation under the Treaty of Amity and it generates income, that corporate income could be subject to GILTI tax even if your personal salary from that corporation is excluded under the FEIE. This is why many expat business owners either elect to be taxed as a flow-through entity (partnership or disregarded entity) or ensure they're paying sufficient foreign corporate tax to claim foreign tax credits against GILTI.

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PrinceJoe

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Has anyone actually used a tax preparer who specializes in the Treaty of Amity specifically? H&R Block and TurboTax were clueless when I mentioned it.

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I use Bright!Tax - they specialize in expat taxes and have several clients with Treaty of Amity businesses in Thailand. They're not cheap (I pay about $750 annually), but they understand all the filing requirements and treaty provisions. Regular US-based tax preparers usually have no idea about these specialized international situations.

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Miguel Silva

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One thing that's been really helpful for me as someone who went through this exact process is keeping detailed records from day one. The IRS can be very particular about documentation when it comes to Treaty of Amity businesses. Make sure you keep copies of all your Treaty of Amity registration documents, business licenses, and any correspondence with Thai authorities. You'll need these to support your tax filings, especially if you ever get audited. Also, consider setting up separate bank accounts for business and personal use in Thailand. This makes it much easier to track business expenses and income for US tax reporting purposes. The IRS likes to see clear separation between personal and business finances, especially for foreign operations. One last tip - start filing your US returns early each year. International forms like 5471 and 8938 can be complex, and you don't want to rush through them near the deadline. I learned this the hard way my first year!

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This is excellent advice! I'm just starting to research this whole process and hadn't even thought about the documentation requirements. Quick question - do you know if there are any specific formats or translations required for the Thai business documents when submitting them to support your US tax filings? Also, how detailed do the expense records need to be? I'm wondering if I need to translate every Thai receipt or if summary documentation is sufficient.

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