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Living Abroad: Foreign Earned Income Tax Exclusion & Form 2350 Filing Questions

I relocated overseas to Thailand in August 2021 for a teaching position, so I have some foreign income to report on my 2021 taxes. I'm planning to file Form 2350 to get more time to meet the physical presence test for the Foreign Earned Income Tax Exclusion (FEIE). What's confusing me is whether I need to pay taxes on my Thai income by the regular April deadline even though I'll likely qualify for the exclusion later? Do I have to pay the tax now and then file an amended return once I meet the residence requirements to get a refund? I've been searching online but there's hardly any clear information about handling taxes in this interim period. Most resources just explain how to qualify for the FEIE but not what to do during this waiting period.

Form 2350 is exactly what you need in this situation! This special extension gives you extra time to meet either the bona fide residence test or the physical presence test for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Here's the good news: you don't have to pay taxes on the foreign income that you reasonably expect to exclude later. When you file Form 2350, you're essentially telling the IRS "I expect to qualify for this exclusion, but I need more time to meet the requirements." You should, however, pay any taxes you expect to owe on income that won't be excluded (like US-based income or foreign income above the exclusion limit). If you're uncertain about how much you'll qualify to exclude, it's usually better to make an estimated payment to avoid potential penalties and interest. You can always get that money back when you file your complete return showing the exclusion.

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Zainab Yusuf

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Thanks for this explanation! Quick question - if I'm in a similar situation but started working abroad in November 2021, would I still qualify for Form 2350 even though I'll need until November 2022 to meet the physical presence test? That seems like a really long extension.

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Yes, that's exactly what Form 2350 is designed for! The IRS understands that meeting either the physical presence test (330 days in a foreign country during a 12-month period) or the bona fide residence test (full tax year as a resident) takes time, which is why this special extension exists. The extension typically gives you until 30 days after you qualify for the exclusion, which in your case would be around December 2022. This is completely normal and acceptable for those who started working abroad late in the tax year. Just make sure you provide a reasonable explanation on the form about when you expect to qualify for the exclusion.

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Yara Khoury

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Did it help you figure out estimated tax payments too? I'm in Qatar and my company doesn't withhold US taxes, so I'm worried about getting hit with underpayment penalties if I wait for the FEIE to kick in.

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Oliver Becker

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Just to add some practical advice from someone who's been using the FEIE for 5 years now - make sure you're keeping detailed records of your physical presence! The IRS can ask for proof of your time abroad, so I recommend: 1. Save all boarding passes and flight itineraries 2. Keep copies of rent/utility bills showing your foreign address 3. Have a copy of your work contract showing foreign employment 4. If your country requires registration, keep that documentation 5. Bank statements showing transactions in your country of residence Trust me, trying to reconstruct this later is a nightmare. I had to do it once and nearly lost out on the exclusion because I couldn't sufficiently prove my physical presence.

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CyberSiren

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Thanks for this detailed list! Do you know if digital records are sufficient? Like PDFs of boarding passes and bills? Or should I be keeping hard copies of everything?

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Oliver Becker

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Digital records are absolutely sufficient! I keep everything in organized folders by year and category (travel, housing, employment, etc.). PDFs are perfect since you can easily email them if needed. The important thing is being able to create a clear timeline of your physical presence if questioned. I also recommend keeping a simple log of days in/out of your foreign country - there are even apps designed for expats that can help with this. The IRS doesn't specify a required format, they just want to see that you can substantiate your claim of meeting the 330-day physical presence test or the bona fide residence test.

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Be aware that even if you qualify for the FEIE, you might still have US tax obligations! The exclusion only applies to earned income (like salary) up to the annual limit ($112,000 for 2022), not investment income, rental income, etc. Also don't forget about FBAR requirements if you have foreign financial accounts totaling over $10,000 at any point during the year.

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Do you know if foreign retirement accounts also trigger FBAR filing? My employer in Singapore contributes to a mandatory retirement system, and I'm not sure if that counts.

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Yara Sayegh

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Yes, foreign retirement accounts typically do trigger FBAR requirements if they exceed the $10,000 threshold. Singapore's CPF (Central Provident Fund) would generally need to be reported since you have a beneficial interest in the account, even though it's employer-contributed and has withdrawal restrictions. However, there are some nuances - if the account is truly government-managed (like CPF) rather than a private account, there might be exceptions. I'd strongly recommend checking with a tax professional who specializes in expat taxes or using one of the tools mentioned earlier to get specific guidance for Singapore's retirement system. The penalties for not filing FBAR when required are severe, so it's better to be overly cautious.

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