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Nolan Carter

How to handle tax liability on income earned outside of the US before moving here?

I'm completely lost trying to figure out my tax situation with income from two different countries. Most of the guides I found are focused on Americans moving abroad, but I can't find good info about people like me who moved TO the United States mid-year. My situation: I was working in Japan until June 2024, then relocated to the US for a job opportunity. I've already paid taxes in Japan on my income there (their tax year runs April-March). Now I'm preparing my US taxes and totally confused about how to handle this. I've been in the US since July 2024, got a W-2 from my American employer, and have been contributing to my 401(k). I'm planning to take the standard deduction, but the software gets super confusing when I try to add my Japanese income. The big questions I'm struggling with: - Do I qualify as a US tax resident under the Substantial Presence Test? - Do I need to pay US taxes on the income I already paid taxes on in Japan? (I think Japan has a tax treaty with the US about double taxation) - What's the difference between Foreign Income Exclusion and Foreign Tax Credit, and which one applies to my situation? Has anyone dealt with this before? The tax software isn't helping and I'm worried about messing this up.

Natalia Stone

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You're dealing with a classic "partial year resident" situation that many newcomers to the US face. The good news is there are clear guidelines for this. First, the Substantial Presence Test: If you've been in the US since July 2024, you would likely qualify as a US tax resident for 2024. The SPT requires that you be physically present in the US for at least 31 days during 2024 AND 183 days during the three-year period that includes 2024 and the two years before, counting all days in 2024, 1/3 of the days in 2023, and 1/6 of the days in 2022. Since you moved in July, you've been here ~180 days in 2024 alone, which makes you a resident alien for tax purposes. As a US tax resident, you're required to report your worldwide income, including what you earned in Japan. However, you won't necessarily be double-taxed thanks to the US-Japan tax treaty. You have two main options: Foreign Tax Credit: This allows you to claim a credit for taxes paid to Japan. This is often the better choice when you've already paid taxes in a foreign country with rates similar to or higher than US rates. Foreign Earned Income Exclusion: This lets you exclude up to $126,500 (2024 limit) of foreign earnings from US taxation, but you must meet either the bona fide residence test or the physical presence test. Given your situation, the Foreign Tax Credit would likely be the better option since you've already paid taxes in Japan. This way, you're essentially getting credit for those taxes against your US tax liability.

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Nolan Carter

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! I've been here for about 175 days in 2024, so it sounds like I qualify as a resident alien. That clears up my first question. For the Foreign Tax Credit, do I need some specific documentation from the Japanese tax authority to prove I paid taxes there? I have my pay stubs showing tax withholding, but I'm not sure if that's enough.

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Natalia Stone

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You'll want to keep copies of any tax documents from Japan that show the taxes you paid. Pay stubs are a good start, but if you received any tax statements equivalent to our W-2 or filed a tax return in Japan, those would be even better. The IRS doesn't require you to submit these documents with your return, but you should keep them for your records in case of an audit. For claiming the Foreign Tax Credit, you'll need to complete Form 1116. Most tax software should guide you through this process, though it can be one of the more complex areas. The key information you'll need is the amount of income from Japan and the amount of tax you paid on that income.

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Nolan Carter

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Oh no, I didn't even think about reporting my Japanese bank accounts! I had about $15,000 in my account before I moved everything to the US. Is there a deadline for filing this FBAR form? Is it the same as the tax return deadline?

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Lourdes Fox

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The FBAR deadline is April 15, but it automatically gets extended to October 15 if you miss the April deadline. You don't need to request the extension specifically for the FBAR. The form is filed electronically through the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network's BSA E-Filing System, not with your tax return. It's fairly straightforward - you just need to provide information about each account, including the maximum value during the year, account number, and the financial institution's information.

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Bruno Simmons

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One word of caution from someone who's been through this: if you're planning to claim the Foreign Tax Credit, be prepared for potential delays in your refund. When I filed with Form 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) for the first time, my return got flagged for review and my refund was delayed by almost 3 months. Not saying this will happen to everyone, but international tax situations do tend to get more scrutiny. Make sure you have all your documentation organized and ready in case they request additional information.

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Adding to this - I had the same experience but also found that e-filing with the Foreign Tax Credit form went much smoother than paper filing. Paper filing with international forms seems to trigger more manual reviews and longer delays.

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