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Laila Fury

US-Thai Treaty of Amity: What IRS reporting requirements apply?

So I'm looking into setting up a business in Thailand and heard about this US-Thai Treaty of Amity that might be beneficial. From what I understand, it lets Americans own 100% of a Thai company, but I'm totally confused about the tax implications. If I establish a company under the US/Thai Treaty of Amity, what reporting requirements would I have with the IRS? The way it was explained to me, it's technically a US company formed under US law, but it doesn't have US tax obligations if it doesn't conduct business within the United States? I'm planning to live in Thailand and run the business entirely from there. Would I just report my personal salary from the Thai operations as foreign income on my US tax return? Do I need to file anything for the company itself with the IRS? I'm trying to stay compliant but honestly don't know where to start with this unique situation. Any insights from folks who've navigated this would be super helpful!

You've asked a great question about a somewhat complex international tax situation. The US-Thai Treaty of Amity does provide Americans with special privileges for doing business in Thailand, but there are several tax considerations you should understand. First, there's a misconception here. A company established under the Treaty of Amity is actually a Thai company (not a US company), but with special benefits allowing American citizens to have majority ownership. This is different from a US company operating abroad. For US tax purposes, you'd likely be dealing with a foreign corporation situation. If you own more than 10% of a foreign corporation, you might have Controlled Foreign Corporation (CFC) reporting requirements, which include Form 5471. Even with no US business, you may have significant filing requirements. For your personal taxes, yes, you would report your salary/income from the Thai company on your US return. You may qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) or Foreign Tax Credits to avoid double taxation.

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Laila Fury

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Thanks for clearing that up! I totally misunderstood the structure. So it's actually a Thai company with special privileges, not a US company. If I'm the sole owner of this Thai company under the Treaty of Amity, would I definitely need to file Form 5471 every year? And are there any other forms I should be aware of?

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Yes, if you're the sole owner or majority owner of a Thai company under the Treaty of Amity, you would need to file Form 5471 annually. This is a comprehensive information return about the foreign corporation's operations. You may also need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if you have signature authority over foreign financial accounts exceeding $10,000 at any point during the year. Form 8938 (Statement of Specified Foreign Financial Assets) may also be required depending on the value of your foreign assets. Additionally, be aware of potential GILTI tax (Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income) which can apply to certain income from foreign corporations owned by US persons.

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Simon White

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After spending hours trying to figure out foreign business reporting for my own situation, I finally used taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it made things so much clearer. I uploaded my Treaty of Amity paperwork and business documents, and it automatically identified all the IRS forms I needed to file. It caught several forms I didn't even know about (like Form 8865 for foreign partnerships that can sometimes apply alongside Treaty of Amity structures). The tool actually explained how the income would flow through to my personal return and highlighted potential tax traps specific to Thailand operations. Saved me from making some pretty costly mistakes.

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Hugo Kass

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That sounds interesting. Can this taxr.ai thing help if I already filed incorrectly for the past 2 years? I have a similar setup in Thailand but just reported my income without all these foreign forms. Getting worried I might be in trouble.

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Nasira Ibanez

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How does it handle the bank account reporting part? My Thai business has multiple accounts and I'm never sure if I should be reporting them on FBAR as business accounts or personal accounts since I'm the sole owner.

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Simon White

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It can definitely help with previous filing issues. The document analysis feature actually flagged potential compliance gaps from prior years in my case and explained the streamlined filing procedures for catching up on past foreign reporting without major penalties. For bank account reporting, it clearly distinguishes which accounts need to be reported on FBAR vs. Form 8938, and explains how to report business accounts where you have signature authority. It correctly identified that as sole owner, I needed to report my business accounts on both forms, but with different categorization depending on the form. The tool provides specific guidance for Thailand banking relationships.

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Hugo Kass

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Khalil Urso

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Laila Fury

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How does this actually work? I've been trying to call the IRS international department for weeks with no luck. Do they just connect you to the same regular IRS line or do they somehow get you to someone who specifically understands international business issues?

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Myles Regis

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Sounds like a scam. How could they possibly get you through to the IRS faster than anyone else? The IRS doesn't have a "priority line" that some random company can access. I've dealt with Treaty of Amity issues for years and there's no magic solution to talk to the IRS.

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Khalil Urso

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They don't connect you to a different line - they use a system that navigates the phone tree and waits on hold for you. When an actual agent picks up, you get a call connecting you directly to that agent. It's the same IRS number everyone calls, but their system just handles the waiting part. They don't guarantee you'll get an international specialist specifically, but in my experience, once I got through to a regular agent, I was able to ask for a transfer to someone familiar with international business issues, and they transferred me to someone who knew about the Treaty of Amity specifically.

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Myles Regis

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I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate to resolve a question about my Treaty of Amity reporting requirements. Not only did I get through to the IRS in about 20 minutes (after trying for weeks on my own), but the agent was able to transfer me to their international division where I got specific guidance on Form 5471 filing for my Thai business. They confirmed I needed to report my company as a CFC despite the Treaty provisions, and clarified exactly how to handle the GILTI calculations for my situation. Saved me from making a serious reporting error that could have resulted in substantial penalties. Completely worth it when you're dealing with complex international tax situations like this!

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Brian Downey

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your Thai company under the Treaty of Amity earns passive income (like investments, rental income, etc.), you might get hit with Subpart F income rules, which could make that income immediately taxable in the US even if not distributed to you. This happened to me last year and I had a surprise tax bill. Also, remember that Thailand has its own corporate tax system, and your company will be subject to Thai corporate tax on its earnings there, typically around 20%. You'll need good accounting on both sides.

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Jacinda Yu

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Do you know if having a Thai company under the Treaty affects your ability to take the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion? I live in Thailand full time but heard somewhere that if you own your own company it complicates claiming FEIE.

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Brian Downey

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Owning a foreign company doesn't directly disqualify you from claiming the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE), but it does add complexity. The key is making sure your salary from the company is "reasonable compensation" for the work you're doing - the IRS can challenge salary amounts that appear manipulated to maximize FEIE benefits. The bigger issue is that any income beyond your salary might be subject to different rules like Subpart F or GILTI provisions, which can't be offset with the FEIE. This is especially true if your Treaty of Amity company has significant passive income or provides services primarily to US clients. I recommend working with a tax professional who has specific experience with both the Treaty of Amity and US expatriate taxation.

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Has anyone here dealt with selling a Treaty of Amity company? I'm considering buying one from another American, and wondering about tax implications of the purchase/sale transaction.

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Callum Savage

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I sold my Treaty of Amity business last year. It's treated as selling foreign stock for US tax purposes. You'll have capital gains based on your basis in the company vs sale price. The buyer doesn't inherit your tax reporting history - they start fresh with their own filing requirements. Make sure you do a final Form 5471 indicating the ownership change. The trickier part was the Thai side - you need to work with the US Commercial Service at the Embassy to transfer the Amity certification, which has its own fee structure and documentation requirements.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! So it's basically treated like selling stock of a foreign corporation on the US side. Did you face any issues with the IRS questioning the valuation of the business for determining the capital gain?

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QuantumQuasar

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation - American looking to start a business in Thailand under the Treaty of Amity. Reading through all these responses, it sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) It's a Thai company with special ownership privileges, not a US company 2) Form 5471 is definitely required for CFC reporting 3) FBAR and Form 8938 likely needed for bank accounts 4) GILTI and Subpart F rules can apply 5) FEIE is still possible but gets complicated with company ownership One question I haven't seen addressed - does the type of business matter for these reporting requirements? I'm looking at starting a consulting business vs. my friend who wants to do e-commerce. Would both have the same IRS filing obligations, or do certain business types trigger additional requirements under the Treaty of Amity structure? Also, has anyone worked with a US tax professional who specializes in Treaty of Amity businesses? It seems like regular expat tax preparers might not be familiar with this specific structure.

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Luca Greco

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Great summary of the key points! Regarding business types, the IRS reporting requirements are generally the same regardless of whether you're doing consulting, e-commerce, or other activities - if you own a foreign corporation, you'll need Form 5471, and the FBAR/8938 requirements depend on account values, not business type. However, the TYPE of income your business generates can make a big difference for tax purposes. Consulting income is typically considered active business income, while certain e-commerce models (especially dropshipping or digital products) might be classified as passive income under Subpart F rules, potentially making it immediately taxable in the US. For specialized help, I'd recommend looking for CPAs or EAs who specifically mention "international tax" and "controlled foreign corporations" on their websites. The American Chamber of Commerce in Thailand sometimes has referrals for US tax professionals familiar with Treaty of Amity structures. You want someone who understands both the US CFC rules AND the specific nuances of how the Treaty of Amity interacts with standard international tax provisions.

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