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Ravi Choudhury

Can a domestic LLC replace foreign partner to avoid Form 8804 and 8805 tax withholding requirements?

I'm trying to evaluate a potential tax structure for our partnership and wanted to see if anyone has experience with this scenario. Some background on our situation: We have a small US partnership with four equal partners, and one of them is a non-US resident. Currently, we allocate ECI (Effectively Connected Income) equally among all partners. Since we have positive ECI and consistent revenue, our partnership is required to withhold tax for our foreign partner. Based on IRC Sec. 1446, Revenue Procedure 92-66, and Treasury Regulation section 1.1446-3, we're obligated to withhold at the highest marginal tax rate on ECI allocated to our foreign partner. This requires filing Forms 8804 and 8805 and remitting taxes quarterly. Here's what I'm considering: If we replace the foreign partner with a domestic LLC that's wholly owned by that same foreign individual, would the partnership avoid the Form 8804 and 8805 reporting and withholding requirements? I'm wondering if there are any carveouts in the IRC or Treasury Regs that would prohibit this kind of structure. Has anyone tried something similar or know if this approach would work? Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

CosmosCaptain

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This is a classic question about using entity structures to potentially simplify tax compliance. The short answer is that this approach likely won't work as intended because of how the IRS treats foreign-owned single-member LLCs. While a domestic LLC owned by a foreign person is technically a US entity, the IRS generally looks through single-member LLCs for tax purposes. Under the "check-the-box" regulations, a single-member LLC is typically treated as a disregarded entity unless it elects to be treated as a corporation. If the LLC is disregarded, then the IRS will treat the foreign individual as the direct partner for Section 1446 withholding purposes. The partnership would still need to withhold on allocations to what is effectively the foreign partner, even if technically the partner is a domestic LLC on paper.

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But what if the foreign-owned LLC elected to be treated as a corporation instead of a disregarded entity? Wouldn't that change the withholding requirements since the partnership would be distributing to a domestic corporation rather than a foreign individual?

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CosmosCaptain

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If the single-member LLC elected to be treated as a corporation for US tax purposes, then yes, that could potentially change the withholding requirements. In that case, the partnership would be distributing to a domestic C corporation rather than directly to the foreign individual. However, this creates a different set of considerations. The domestic corporation would be subject to US corporate tax on its income (currently 21% federal rate), and then any distributions from the corporation to the foreign owner would potentially be subject to withholding under Section 1441 or 1442 (typically at 30% unless reduced by treaty). You'd essentially be trading one withholding regime for another, plus adding a layer of corporate tax.

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Omar Fawzi

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Chloe Wilson

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Omar Fawzi

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Sean Kelly

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Zara Malik

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One angle you might want to consider is having the foreign partner's LLC elect corporate status (Form 8832) AND then have that corporation qualify for benefits under an applicable tax treaty. Depending on the foreign partner's country of residence, this might reduce withholding rates. For example, if your foreign partner is from a country with a favorable tax treaty with the US (like the UK), a properly structured corporation might qualify for reduced withholding rates on certain types of income. However, this gets complicated fast because you need to consider: 1) Corporate tax at the US entity level 2) Withholding on distributions to the foreign owner 3) Branch profits tax considerations 4) Potential for treaty shopping challenges from the IRS

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Thanks for this suggestion! Do you know if taking this approach creates any issues with the foreign partner's home country taxation? I'm concerned about creating unintended tax consequences for them.

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Zara Malik

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The impact on home country taxation depends entirely on which country your partner is from. Every country has different rules for how they tax their residents on foreign income, and how they treat entities that are disregarded or classified differently in the US tax system. For instance, if your partner is from a country with a territorial tax system, they might not face additional tax on US business income. But if they're from a country with a worldwide tax system, they'll likely need to report the income regardless of the structure, though foreign tax credits may be available to offset double taxation.

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Luca Greco

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I tried something similar a few years ago with a German partner in our consulting firm. We created a Wyoming LLC owned by the German individual, and had it be the official partner in our partnership instead of the German person directly. Our tax advisor initially thought this would work, but then we got a notice from the IRS saying we still needed to withhold under Section 1446 because the LLC was a disregarded entity. We ended up having to file amended returns and pay penalties and interest for the missed withholding. The IRS specifically cited Treasury Regulation 1.1446-3 which basically says they look through disregarded entities to the ultimate owner for withholding purposes. So based on my expensive lesson, your idea probably won't work unless the LLC elects to be treated as a corporation.

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Nia Thompson

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Our partnership faced this exact issue! Did you consider having the LLC elect corporate status? We're currently evaluating that option but concerned about the additional tax burden.

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