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Partnership Tax Questions: 100% Profit to One Partner, 50/50 Split on Losses and Capital - Is This Legal?

I'm in a bind with a client situation and could use some advice from anyone with experience in unusual partnership structures. I took on a new tax client recently - a partnership with an arrangement that has me scratching my head. The partnership has two members with a very uneven distribution: Partner A: 100% of profits, 50% of losses, and 50% of capital Partner B: 0% of profits, 50% of losses, and 50% of capital From what I understand, this used to be a straightforward 50/50 partnership in all aspects. However, Partner B recently stepped away from active operations to pursue other opportunities. Instead of a buyout, they kept the original capital structure and loss sharing but modified the profit allocation to give Partner A 100% of profits going forward. They've amended their partnership agreement to formalize this arrangement, but I'm concerned about economic substance issues. The IRS might see this as lacking a legitimate business purpose or economic effect. Has anyone handled something similar? Are there specific tax code sections I should review? I want to make sure I'm giving proper guidance.

NeonNebula

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This arrangement definitely raises some economic substance concerns. While partnerships do allow for special allocations of profits and losses, those allocations need to have "substantial economic effect" under Section 704(b) of the IRC. The partnership will need to carefully document the business purpose for this arrangement. Why would Partner B agree to a deal where they bear 50% of losses but receive 0% of profits while keeping 50% capital? There needs to be some economic benefit beyond tax considerations. The IRS could potentially recharacterize this as either: 1) a disguised sale of partnership interest, 2) a loan arrangement rather than a partnership, or 3) simply reallocate the profits/losses according to capital interests if they determine the special allocation lacks substantial economic effect. Make sure the operating agreement has compliant capital account maintenance provisions and a qualified income offset. The partnership should also document non-tax business reasons for this arrangement. What is Partner B getting in exchange for this apparently unfavorable position?

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Thanks for the thorough response. Would Partner B still receive distributions for their share of capital? And what kind of documentation would be sufficient to show a business purpose for this lopsided arrangement?

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NeonNebula

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Partner B might receive distributions related to their capital account when the partnership liquidates or if there are specific distribution provisions, but with 0% profit allocation, they wouldn't receive ongoing profit distributions. Regarding documentation, they should maintain detailed records showing Partner B's reduced involvement justifies the profit allocation. Consider documenting how Partner A now carries all operational responsibilities, management duties, and perhaps took on additional risk or contributed additional (unrecorded) value. The partnership might also create documentation showing that this arrangement is temporary while the partners transition to a future buyout or restructuring.

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Ravi Malhotra

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How exactly does this work? Does it just give general advice or does it actually analyze your specific agreement? My accounting firm has several partnerships with special allocations and I'm always worried we're missing something.

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Omar Farouk

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Ravi Malhotra

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First off, I'm a tax attorney who deals with partnership tax regularly. I've seen arrangements like this before, and they can be problematic without proper planning. The scenario as described likely fails the substantial economic effect test under 704(b). A partner taking 50% of losses but 0% of profits goes against the fundamental premise of partnership taxation. However, there are legitimate ways to structure this if there's true economic substance. For example: 1. Is Partner B receiving guaranteed payments? 2. Is this a temporary arrangement pending a full buyout? 3. Does Partner B have capital at risk that justifies taking losses? At minimum, you need robust capital account maintenance, a qualified income offset, and a deficit restoration obligation in the partnership agreement. Document the business purpose clearly - perhaps Partner B is providing capital or credit support that benefits the partnership despite their inactive status. The IRS has successfully challenged more reasonable allocations than this, so tread carefully.

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Malik Thomas

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Thanks for this detailed response. There are no guaranteed payments to Partner B, and while this arrangement could eventually lead to a buyout, nothing is formally planned. Partner B does have significant capital at risk (about $135,000), which is why they're still allocated losses. The business purpose they've documented is that Partner B provided initial startup capital and connections that were crucial in the early years, but now that the business is established, Partner A is doing 100% of the work. They see the continued 50% loss allocation as fair compensation for Partner B's initial contributions and risk. Does that sound like something that could potentially satisfy economic substance requirements if properly documented?

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That helps clarify things, but I still see substantial risk. The IRS could view this as Partner B effectively converting what should be ordinary income into capital gain upon eventual sale or liquidation. The arrangement might have better economic substance if it's explicitly temporary with a defined end date and transition plan. I'd recommend documenting how Partner B's initial capital and connections continue to generate value, perhaps through ongoing client relationships or intellectual property they helped develop. Document everything meticulously - meeting minutes discussing the arrangement, emails between partners, and perhaps a third-party valuation supporting that the arrangement represents arm's length terms. The more contemporary evidence of business purpose, the better your position will be if challenged.

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Sean O'Brien

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Has anyone considered whether this arrangement might actually be a disguised loan rather than a partnership interest? If Partner B is guaranteed their capital back plus some fixed amount, but isn't sharing in profits based on business performance, the IRS might recharacterize their interest. I've seen the IRS successfully argue that similar arrangements were actually debt, not equity, which completely changes the tax treatment. Worth considering before filing.

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Zara Shah

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This is a really good point. I had a client get audited in a similar situation and the IRS recharacterized the "partner" as a lender. The participation in losses was seen as window dressing to disguise what was essentially a loan arrangement.

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Rajiv Kumar

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I've dealt with a few similar partnership structures, and I'd strongly recommend getting a private letter ruling (PLR) from the IRS if this is a significant client. The economic substance issues raised here are real, and the potential for recharacterization as debt or reallocation of profits/losses could create major problems down the road. One additional consideration - make sure you're thinking about the partnership's ability to make distributions. With Partner A getting 100% of profits but Partner B maintaining 50% capital interest, how will distributions work? If the partnership makes significant profits but can't distribute them because of Partner B's capital account requirements, you could end up with phantom income problems for Partner A. Also, double-check your state's partnership laws. Some states have requirements about profit sharing in partnerships that could conflict with this arrangement, potentially invalidating the federal tax treatment even if it passes IRS scrutiny. The $135,000 capital at risk helps your case, but document everything about Partner B's ongoing contribution to the partnership's success - even if they're not actively working, are they still providing value through guarantees, connections, or reputation?

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Connor Murphy

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This is excellent advice about the PLR - I hadn't considered that route but given the complexity and potential audit risk, it might be worth the cost for peace of mind. The distribution issue you raise is particularly important. If Partner A is taxed on 100% of profits but the partnership can't distribute cash because of Partner B's capital requirements, that could create serious cash flow problems. I'm also curious about the state law angle you mentioned. We're in California - do you know if there are specific partnership statutes here that could create issues with disproportionate profit allocations? I want to make sure we're not creating a problem at the state level while trying to solve the federal tax concerns. The ongoing value documentation is a great point. Partner B did sign personal guarantees for the business loans and their industry reputation still opens doors for the partnership. We should definitely document how these continue to benefit the business even with their reduced involvement.

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Max Reyes

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I've been following this thread with great interest as a tax practitioner who's dealt with several challenging partnership allocations. The concerns raised about economic substance are absolutely valid, and I wanted to add a few practical considerations. First, regarding the documentation everyone's discussing - make sure you're creating a contemporaneous record of Partner B's ongoing contributions beyond just capital. The personal guarantees and industry reputation mentioned are valuable, but quantify them where possible. What's the value of those loan guarantees? How much business has come through Partner B's connections even after they stepped back? Second, consider implementing a "lookback" provision in your partnership agreement. This would require the partners to true-up allocations if the IRS successfully challenges the arrangement. While not foolproof, it demonstrates good faith and can help with penalties if you're audited. Third, I'd recommend having the partnership pay for an independent business valuation that supports the economic rationale for this arrangement. A third-party expert opinion that Partner B's capital contribution and ongoing value justifies their loss allocation (even without profit participation) strengthens your position significantly. The PLR suggestion is excellent for a situation this complex. Yes, it's expensive, but compared to the potential cost of an audit and recharacterization, it's probably worth it for peace of mind.

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AstroAce

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This is really comprehensive advice, especially the lookback provision idea - I hadn't heard of that approach before. The independent valuation makes a lot of sense too, particularly if it can quantify Partner B's ongoing contributions like the loan guarantees and reputation value. One thing I'm wondering about is timing. If we're going to pursue a PLR, should we wait to file the partnership return until we get the ruling? Or can we file based on our current interpretation and then amend if necessary based on the PLR response? I'm worried about extension deadlines but also don't want to lock in a position that might get challenged. Also, for the contemporaneous documentation you mentioned - what's the best format for this? Should we be doing formal board resolutions, or are detailed meeting minutes sufficient? I want to make sure we're creating the strongest possible record in case this ever gets scrutinized.

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