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Guys I think everyones overthinking this. The $600 threshold is for BUSINESS payments. Unless your gf is running a business and you're paying her as a client, you're fine. Just mark everything as personal payments in cashapp. And keep basic records showing these are shared expenses just in case.
But how does the IRS know what's business vs personal? If she gets thousands in cashapp over the year, couldn't they just assume it's business income and audit her?
The IRS relies on the payment apps to report the transaction type when they send 1099-K forms. When you mark payments as "personal" in CashApp, that information gets included in their reporting. However, if someone does get a 1099-K that includes personal payments by mistake, they can explain it on their tax return. The key is documentation - keeping records showing these are shared household expenses (like lease agreements, utility bills showing both names, or even simple text records of what each payment was for) makes it easy to demonstrate these aren't business transactions if questions ever come up. An audit would be pretty straightforward to resolve with basic documentation showing it's just roommate expense sharing.
Based on my experience dealing with this exact situation, you should be fine as long as you're marking these as personal payments in CashApp. The $600 threshold is specifically for business transactions, not personal reimbursements between household members. I'd recommend keeping simple documentation though - maybe a shared spreadsheet showing what each payment was for (rent, utilities, groceries, etc.) and the amounts. This way if any questions ever come up, you have clear proof these are legitimate expense splits, not income. The direct bank transfer idea isn't necessary unless you prefer it for other reasons. Alternating who pays which bills could work too, but honestly seems like more hassle than just continuing what you're doing and marking payments correctly. The most important thing is that transaction categorization when you send the money.
This is really helpful advice! I'm new to all these payment app tax rules and was getting confused by all the different suggestions. The shared spreadsheet idea seems like a smart middle ground - not too much work but gives you that paper trail if needed. One quick question though - when you say "marking payments correctly," is this something you do every single time you send money, or can you set a default somewhere in CashApp for personal payments? I split costs with my boyfriend pretty regularly and want to make sure I'm not accidentally creating tax headaches for either of us.
Have you considered just partitioning your space? I had a similar issue and my accountant recommended physically dividing the room. I put up a small divider wall and now I have my "business only" area that meets the exclusive use test (about 60% of the room) and my personal area with a separate computer for non-business stuff. IRS Publication 587 doesn't actually require the space to be a separate room - just an "identifiable space." My accountant said this approach is compliant as long as you're very clear about which section is exclusively for business and can demonstrate that with photos and measurements.
I tried doing this but my tax preparer said it's still risky. How exactly did you document the division? Did you take measurements or photos or something?
I appreciate everyone's insights here! As someone who's dealt with this exact situation, I want to emphasize what several others have mentioned - the IRS really is strict about the "exclusive use" requirement. From what you've described, using your computer for personal activities like gaming, checking personal emails, and paying household bills would unfortunately disqualify the space from meeting the exclusive use test, even though the room itself is set up as a dedicated office. However, you still have some good options: 1. **Equipment deductions**: You can absolutely deduct the business percentage of your computer, internet, and other equipment costs. If you use your computer 80% for business, deduct 80% of those expenses. 2. **Physical partition**: As Benjamin mentioned, you could divide the room so part of it is exclusively for business. This requires clear physical separation and careful documentation. 3. **Separate personal activities**: Move all personal computer use to a different location in your home, keeping the office space truly exclusive. The audit stories shared here are sobering - the IRS does ask direct questions about how you use the space, and honesty is crucial. Don't let the strict rules discourage you from legitimate business deductions though. You just need to structure things correctly to stay compliant.
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation and had no idea about the equipment deduction option. Quick question - when you say "business percentage" for things like internet and computer costs, how do you actually calculate that? Do you need to track hours of use or is there a simpler way to document it? I'm worried about getting into trouble if I can't prove the exact percentages during an audit.
Your friend definitely needs to take responsibility here instead of blaming the broker. The 5500-EZ is a plan administrator duty, which for solo 401(k)s means the business owner (your friend) is responsible. Here's what your friend should do immediately: 1. Stop wasting time being angry at the broker 2. Determine exactly which years he missed filing (any year his plan assets exceeded $250k on Dec 31) 3. Use the IRS Delinquent Filer Voluntary Compliance Program (DFVCP) to self-report and get reduced penalties 4. File all missing 5500-EZ forms ASAP The voluntary compliance program can reduce penalties from $250/day (max $150k per form) down to as little as $750 per late form for solo plans. But this only works if he acts before the IRS discovers the missing filings. This is a pretty common mistake for people who don't realize the filing requirement kicks in automatically when assets hit the threshold. Better to fix it now than wait for IRS notices!
This is really helpful advice! I'm going to share this with my friend - hopefully he'll listen to reason and stop blaming his broker. The step-by-step approach you outlined makes it seem much more manageable than he's making it out to be. Quick question though - do you know roughly how long the voluntary compliance program takes to process? I'm wondering if he should expect this to drag on for months or if it's something that gets resolved relatively quickly once he submits everything.
The DFVCP processing time can vary, but in my experience it typically takes 2-4 months from submission to final resolution. The IRS has to review the submission, calculate the reduced penalties, and send a closing agreement for signature. The key is getting all the paperwork submitted correctly the first time - any missing information or errors can add weeks to the process. Once your friend submits through the DFVCP portal, he'll get acknowledgment fairly quickly, but the actual penalty determination and closing agreement takes longer. The good news is that once he's in the program, the daily penalty clock stops ticking, so there's no additional penalty accumulation while they process his case. Much better than waiting and potentially facing the full penalties later!
Your friend is completely off base blaming his broker. As a solo 401(k) owner, he IS the plan administrator and is 100% responsible for filing the 5500-EZ when his account balance exceeds $250k at year-end. This is basic retirement plan compliance - brokers manage investments, not tax filings. The fact that he's been avoiding this responsibility for multiple years makes it even worse. He needs to immediately use the IRS Delinquent Filer Voluntary Compliance Program to self-report before they catch him. The penalties can be astronomical - up to $250 per day per missed form, capped at $150k each. Tell your friend to stop playing the blame game and start taking action. Every day he delays makes this more expensive. The voluntary compliance program can reduce penalties to as little as $750 per late form, but only if he acts before the IRS finds the missing filings first.
Wow, this whole thread has been eye-opening! I had no idea about the 5500-EZ requirement - I'm nowhere near that $250k threshold yet, but it's good to know for the future. It sounds like your friend really needs to own up to this mistake instead of pointing fingers. The voluntary compliance program seems like his best bet at this point. I'm curious though - is there any way to set up automatic reminders or systems to avoid missing these filings in the future? It seems like a lot of solo 401(k) owners don't even realize this requirement exists until it's too late.
Just to clarify something that might help others - there's actually been some changes to the Child Tax Credit over the years that can cause confusion. For 2024 tax year (filing in 2025), the credit is $2,000 per qualifying child under 17, with up to $1,700 being refundable through the Additional Child Tax Credit. The key point everyone's made is correct - no minimum income required for the Child Tax Credit itself. But if you have very low or no income, you'll mainly benefit from the refundable portion (up to $1,700 per child). The non-refundable portion can only offset actual tax liability. Make sure your children have valid Social Security Numbers (not ITINs) to qualify for the full credit. Also, with your income under $10,000, you should definitely file a return even if not required to - that's the only way to get the refundable portion back as a refund.
This is really helpful clarification! I was actually getting confused by some outdated information online that mentioned different refundable amounts. Quick follow-up question - you mentioned needing valid SSNs vs ITINs. What happens if a child has an ITIN instead? Do you get any credit at all or just a reduced amount?
If a child has an ITIN instead of a valid SSN, unfortunately they don't qualify for the Child Tax Credit at all - you'd get $0 for that child. However, you may still be able to claim the Credit for Other Dependents, which is $500 per qualifying dependent with an ITIN. It's not as generous as the Child Tax Credit, but it's something. The SSN requirement is pretty strict for the Child Tax Credit - it was implemented to prevent fraud and ensure the credit only goes to children who are authorized to work in the US when they reach working age.
I want to add something that might help clarify the confusion you're experiencing. The Child Tax Credit has NO minimum income requirement - you can have $0 in income and still qualify. What you might be thinking of is the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), which does require earned income. However, here's the important part for your situation with under $10,000 income: while you can qualify for the Child Tax Credit, the benefit you actually receive depends on whether it's refundable or non-refundable. For 2024 (filing in 2025), up to $1,700 per child is refundable through the Additional Child Tax Credit - meaning you can get this as a refund even with no tax liability. The key requirements for your kids (ages 4 and 7) are that they: - Have valid Social Security Numbers (not ITINs) - Lived with you for more than half the year - Are under 17 at the end of the tax year - You provided more than half their support You should definitely file a return to claim this credit, even if your income is below the filing threshold. With two qualifying children, you could potentially get up to $3,400 back as a refund ($1,700 Ć 2) regardless of your low income level.
This is exactly the clear breakdown I was looking for! Thank you for explaining the difference between the Child Tax Credit and EITC - I think that's where a lot of my confusion was coming from. The $1,700 refundable portion per child is definitely significant for my situation. Just to confirm I understand correctly - even with my income being under $10,000, I could potentially get $3,400 back ($1,700 x 2 kids) as long as they have valid SSNs and meet those other requirements you listed? That would be a huge help for my family.
Yes, that's exactly right! With two qualifying children and income under $10,000, you could potentially receive up to $3,400 back as a refund through the Additional Child Tax Credit portion ($1,700 per child). This is completely separate from your tax liability - it's a true refund even if you owe $0 in taxes. Just make sure both kids have valid Social Security Numbers (not ITINs) and meet those residency/support tests. Given your health issues limiting work this year, you'll definitely want to file a return to claim this - it could make a real difference for your family's finances. One tip: if you use tax software or go to a tax preparer, make sure they don't miss claiming the Additional Child Tax Credit. Some people only focus on the regular Child Tax Credit and miss out on the refundable portion.
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Question for anyone who's done this - does grouping require amending previous returns? I'm in a similar situation with a property LLC and operating business, and filed separately for the last two years.
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Andre Dupont
ā¢You don't have to amend previous returns to start grouping activities. The grouping election is made prospectively - you can start in the current tax year. But remember that once you group activities, you generally can't ungroup them later unless there's a material change in circumstances.
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Brooklyn Foley
This is exactly the kind of situation where activity grouping can be a game-changer! Since you have common ownership of both LLCs and clear operational interdependence (PropCo exists primarily to serve OpCo), you should have a strong case for grouping. The key thing to remember is that once you group these activities and you materially participate in the restaurant business, the entire grouped activity becomes non-passive. This means those $78,000 in historic rehabilitation credits would no longer be trapped as passive credits - you could use them against your restaurant income or even your wife's non-passive income. Make sure to document the business reasons for grouping (shared management, operational interdependence, common ownership) in your election statement. Given the substantial credits at stake, it might also be worth getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in passive activity rules before making the election, just to ensure you're maximizing the benefit and meeting all requirements.
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Liam O'Sullivan
ā¢This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you mention getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in passive activity rules, how do you find someone with that specific expertise? My current accountant clearly isn't well-versed in this area, and I want to make sure I don't make any costly mistakes with an election this significant. Also, is there a deadline for making this grouping election, or can it be done at any point during the tax year? With $78,000 in credits at stake, I definitely want to get this right!
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