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Nia Wilson

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in the same boat rn... verified 3 weeks ago still waiting. this whole process is a joke fr fr 🤔

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mood. irs living in 1985 fr

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Good luck tomorrow! I just went through this last week. Definitely bring passport or driver's license, Social Security card, and all your tax docs (W-2s, 1099s, etc). Also bring a recent utility bill or bank statement for address verification - they asked me for that too. The whole appointment took about 30 minutes and they were actually pretty nice about it. Just be patient with the timeline after - mine took about 7 weeks but worth the wait!

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Will My $5,880 Negative Balance on 2022 IRS Transcript Result in Refund? HOH Filer with $17,557 AGI and $6,164 EIC

Just got my 2022 tax transcript and I'm really confused about what I'm looking at. According to my Internal Revenue Service United States Department of the Treasury Account Transcript (requested on 03-10-2023, response date 03-10-2023), my adjusted gross income shows as $17,557.00 and I filed as Head of Household with 3 exemptions. The transcript shows self employment tax of $2,543.00 (my SE taxable income was $16,623.00), and I received an earned income credit of $6,164.00. Looking at the transactions, there's also another credit of $2,259.00 dated 04-15-2023. My account balance shows -$5,880.00 (as of March 28, 2023), with $0.00 in accrued interest and penalties. The transcript shows my taxable income as $0.00. I'm looking at these numbers and transactions: 150 Tax return filed: $2,543.00 (Cycle 20231005, date 03-27-2023) 766 Credit to your account: -$2,259.00 (dated 04-15-2023) 768 Earned income credit: -$6,164.00 (dated 04-15-2023) My return due date or return received date (whichever is later) is shown as Apr. 15, 2023, with a processing date of Mar 27, 2023. The document references my filing information with a code 76211-453-84433-3. The transcript clearly states "ANY MINUS SIGN SHOWN BELOW SIGNIFIES A CREDIT AMOUNT" and shows my "ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount): -$5,880.00" Can someone break this down for me? With these credits and the negative account balance showing -$5,880.00, I'm not sure if this means I'm getting a refund or if I owe money. The transcript is dated March 10, 2023, and shows a processing date of March 27, 2023.

CosmicCruiser

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Watch ur bank account like a hawk. Mine hit exactly 5 days after processing date

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Malik Davis

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good to know! ill keep checking šŸ‘€

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Ethan Wilson

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The IRS transcript can definitely be confusing at first glance! Just to add some context to what others have said - that $2,259 credit (Code 766) might be the Child Tax Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit since you filed HOH with 3 exemptions. The combination of your EIC ($6,164) plus that additional credit ($2,259) minus your self-employment tax ($2,543) gives you that sweet $5,880 refund. Since your processing date was March 27th and credits posted April 15th, your refund should have been issued shortly after. Have you received it yet or are you still waiting?

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Mason Davis

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My accountant charges me $275/hr and I've spent over $800 just trying to understand this exact issue lol. One tip that helped me: create a spreadsheet comparing your gross receipts (line 1a) all the way down to ordinary business income (line 21) for the last few years. I did this and finally could see exactly which expenses were causing the biggest differences between total income and ordinary business income. Gave me a much clearer picture of my business finances and helped me explain it to my partners.

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That's actually genius - I never thought of doing a line-by-line comparison like that. Does this also help with estimating quarterly taxes? I'm always way off when I try to calculate those.

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As someone who went through this same confusion when I first started my S Corp, let me add another perspective. The key thing to remember is that the 1120-S is really just an informational return - the actual taxation happens on your personal return through the K-1. Here's what helped me understand it: Think of "total income" as everything your business brought in the door, while "ordinary business income" is what's left after you pay for the cost of running the business. The ordinary business income is what actually matters for your taxes because that's what flows through to your Schedule K-1. For the "how much does your business make" question, I've learned to be specific: "We did $X in revenue last year with $Y in profit." This way you're not misleading anyone, and it shows you understand your financials. Banks especially appreciate when you can speak to both numbers clearly. One more tip: Keep a simple one-page summary that shows both figures with a brief explanation of the major expense categories that bridge the gap. It's been super helpful when I need to explain my business performance quickly to lenders, partners, or even family members who ask how the business is doing.

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Lucas Adams

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This is really helpful advice! I like the idea of keeping a one-page summary - that would definitely save me from stumbling through explanations every time someone asks about my business performance. Do you have any suggestions for what expense categories to highlight on that summary? I'm thinking maybe cost of goods sold, payroll, and office expenses as the main buckets, but I'm not sure if there are other major ones that typically make up the difference between total income and ordinary business income.

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PixelPioneer

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Consider using a tax professional with military expertise rather than trying to navigate this yourself. VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) programs on military bases specifically handle these situations and they're free. Most bases have them from January through April. Alternative option: Military OneSource offers free tax filing with H&R Block that includes state returns and access to tax consultants who understand military-specific situations. Their service is available until October 15th for extensions. These specialized services understand PCS moves, multiple state filings, and combat zone tax exclusions better than general tax preparers.

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As someone who's dealt with military tax situations across multiple states, I want to emphasize checking your Leave and Earnings Statement (LES) for state tax withholdings - this can give you a clue about how your unit's finance office is handling your state tax situation. Also, make sure you understand California's "safe harbor" provisions under Revenue and Taxation Code 17014. If you maintained California voter registration, driver's license, and bank accounts, you're likely still a CA resident for tax purposes. One thing that trips up many military families is assuming that being stationed somewhere automatically makes you a resident there - military orders specifically prevent this under SCRA. Document everything about your California ties (voter registration, vehicle registration, etc.) in case you need to prove residency status later. The key is consistency - don't claim non-resident status in California while maintaining all the legal indicators of being a California resident.

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Olivia Clark

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Guys, the IRS website has free calculators that can help with this! Check out the Tax Withholding Estimator tool. You put in your gross income, deductions, and withholdings, and it gives you an estimate of your refund or amount owed. It's at irs.gov - way better than trying to do the math yourself and getting confused between net and gross.

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Just tried this tool and it was WAY more complicated than I expected. Asked me like 50 questions I didn't know the answers to. ended up just giving up halfway through. I'll just wait till all my tax forms arrive and use turbotax lol.

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Rhett Bowman

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Based on your numbers, you should definitely be using your $97,000 gross income as your starting point. Here's a rough calculation for your situation: Gross income: $97,000 Less standard deduction (2024): $14,600 (assuming you're single) Less your other deductions: $6,300 Taxable income: ~$76,100 For someone with $76,100 in taxable income, the federal tax would be roughly $12,000-13,000 depending on your filing status. Since you paid $9,400 in withholdings, you might actually owe a bit more rather than getting a refund. Of course, this is just a rough estimate and doesn't account for credits, state taxes, or other factors that could significantly change the outcome. But it gives you a ballpark idea of where you stand. The key thing to remember is always start with that gross income figure from your W-2!

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Thanks for breaking down the math, this is really helpful! One quick question though - you mentioned the standard deduction is $14,600 for 2024, but wouldn't that depend on when OP is filing? If they're filing for 2023 taxes, wouldn't the standard deduction be different? I always get confused about which year's rules apply when. Also, I'm curious about those "other deductions" of $6,300 that OP mentioned. Are those in addition to the standard deduction, or would they need to choose between itemizing those and taking the standard deduction?

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