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Thais Soares

Can Schedule K-1 losses from family LLC offset my capital gains?

So my wife's family bought this hunting property last year and formed an LLC between her and her two siblings with equal shares. The place is in a different state where we don't even live. Just got the K-1 form (still with our preparer) that shows about $11k in income but it's offset by like $40k in losses. Honestly not sure about the details since we never visit or get involved with the property. Here's my situation - I have around $27k in capital gains from my 1099 this year that I know I'll owe taxes on. Usually I just file my W2 and 1099 together no problem, but I decided to try H&R Block this time to see how they'd handle everything with this new K-1 situation so I'd know what to do going forward. Had a quick call with the accountant and they mentioned the losses can't offset my capital gains, and we'd actually need to pay taxes in the state where the property is located for the $11k gain. I'm wondering - shouldn't I be able to carry forward those losses to offset my capital gains or maybe reduce my regular W2 income? Meeting with the accountant tomorrow to get all the details and understand the moving parts better. Thanks for any help on this!

Nalani Liu

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This is a great question about how different types of income and losses interact on your tax return. Based on what you've described, it sounds like you have a passive activity loss from the LLC. The IRS treats passive activity losses differently than capital gains. Generally, passive losses can only offset passive income - not capital gains or your W2 wages. The $11k income and $40k loss on your K-1 are likely ordinary income/losses from the business operations, not capital gains/losses. The net loss of $29k would be considered a passive loss if you're not materially participating in the business. You'll likely need to file a nonresident state tax return for the state where the property is located. Each state has different rules, but typically you'd report your share of the LLC's income/loss there. The good news is that while you can't use the passive losses against your capital gains now, those losses aren't lost forever. They get suspended and carried forward until either: 1) you have passive income to offset them, or 2) you dispose of your entire interest in the activity.

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Thais Soares

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Thanks so much for the explanation. So just to make sure I understand - the $29k net loss is basically "on hold" until we either have passive income in the future or until we sell our share of the LLC? Also, if we're showing a net loss, why would we still owe taxes in the other state? Is that just on the $11k income before the losses are calculated?

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Nalani Liu

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The $29k net loss is indeed "on hold" or suspended until you either generate passive income in the future or sell your entire interest in the LLC. At the point of sale, any suspended passive losses would be fully deductible. Regarding state taxes, it can be complicated. Some states tax the gross income before losses, while others look at the net. It also depends on how the LLC is structured for state tax purposes. Some states might require you to file and pay tax on your share of income regardless of losses, especially if they have different rules for nonresidents.

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Axel Bourke

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I was in almost this exact situation last year with a rental property LLC I'm part of. I tried everything to use those passive losses against my stock market gains but couldn't make it work. I eventually found this tool called https://taxr.ai that analyzed my K-1 and other documents and explained exactly how the passive activity rules applied to my situation. It showed me that while I couldn't use the losses against my capital gains, I could actually release some of the suspended passive losses by increasing my participation in the LLC activities. The tool gave me a breakdown of exactly what qualified as "material participation" and how many hours I needed to document. Saved me thousands in the long run!

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Aidan Percy

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How exactly does that tool work? Does it just explain the rules or does it actually help with filing? I'm in a similar situation with a family business where I'm getting K-1 losses but can't seem to use them.

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I'm skeptical about these online tools. How is it any different than just googling "passive activity loss rules" or talking to an accountant? Did it actually do anything your CPA couldn't figure out?

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Axel Bourke

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It works by analyzing your tax documents and then explaining how different tax rules apply to your specific situation. It's not just generic advice - it looks at your actual numbers and gives personalized guidance. For me, it didn't just explain the rules but showed me how to document my participation hours properly so I could qualify as a material participant in future years. It's different from just Googling because it applies the rules directly to your situation with your specific numbers. My CPA was focused on just filing this year's taxes correctly, but wasn't proactive about planning strategies for future years to optimize those suspended losses. The tool gave me a multi-year plan for gradually utilizing the losses.

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Aidan Percy

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Just wanted to follow up about that https://taxr.ai tool that someone recommended for my K-1 situation. I was skeptical but tried it with my documents, and it was super helpful. It confirmed that my LLC losses were indeed passive but showed me how to track them properly on Form 8582. The biggest value was it showed me how to maximize the passive income from other investments to start using up those suspended losses. I'm now restructuring a rental property I own to generate passive income that can be offset by my LLC losses. The analysis wasn't just about this year's taxes but gave me a 3-year strategy to utilize most of my suspended losses. Definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with complex K-1 situations.

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Norman Fraser

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Kendrick Webb

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How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you or something? I've been trying to get through to someone about my K-1 issues for weeks.

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Sounds like a scam to me. The IRS agents aren't allowed to give tax advice, they only answer procedural questions. No way they'd walk you through complex passive loss rules. And paying someone to call the IRS for you? Can't believe people fall for this.

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Norman Fraser

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They essentially wait on hold with the IRS for you. They have a system that dials continuously and works through the IRS phone tree until they get a human, then they call you to connect with the agent. It's not that they're calling a special number or anything - they're just handling the painful hold time for you. You're partially right that IRS agents can't give comprehensive tax advice or prepare your return. However, they absolutely can and do clarify how specific tax rules work and how to properly report certain items on your tax forms. In my case, the agent explained which forms I needed for passive losses (Form 8582) and confirmed how the carryforward process works. They won't design a tax strategy for you, but they can verify how to properly report and track passive losses.

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Hattie Carson

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Don't forget that certain real estate professionals can treat rental real estate activities as non-passive! If you or your wife qualify as real estate professionals (750+ hours working in real estate businesses) AND materially participate in the LLC activities (500+ hours), you might be able to deduct those losses against your other income. The key is whether the hunting property has any rental component. If it's occasionally rented out, you might have a case. Worth looking into if either of you have other real estate activities that could help you meet the 750-hour threshold.

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Thais Soares

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That's interesting - the property actually does get rented out during certain hunting seasons. My wife doesn't work in real estate though, so I doubt we'd hit that 750 hour requirement. Do occasional property management activities for this hunting lodge count toward those hours?

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Hattie Carson

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No, occasional property management activities wouldn't be enough to qualify as a real estate professional. The 750 hours must be in real estate trades or businesses where you materially participate, and more than half of your total working hours for the year must be in those real estate activities. Since neither you nor your wife work primarily in real estate, it would be nearly impossible to meet the threshold unless one of you changed careers. The rental aspect is helpful, but without meeting the real estate professional test, those losses would still be considered passive. Your best bet is probably to track the suspended losses and use them against future passive income or when you eventually dispose of the property.

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Has anyone mentioned the at-risk rules yet? Even if you could somehow get around the passive activity loss limitations, you'd still need to have "at-risk" basis in the LLC to claim the losses. Did you or your wife actually contribute cash or property to the LLC, or personally guarantee any loans? Without at-risk basis, you can't take the losses even if they weren't passive.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Great point about at-risk rules. I learned this the hard way with my family LLC. Had $32k in losses but could only claim about $8k because that's all I had at risk in the business (my initial capital contribution). The rest got suspended not just because of passive activity rules but because of at-risk limitations. OP should definitely check their capital account on the K-1.

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Just to add another perspective on this - make sure you're also considering the state tax implications carefully. I had a similar situation with an out-of-state LLC and ended up owing more in nonresident state taxes than I expected because the state where the property was located didn't allow the same loss carryforward rules as the federal return. Also, keep detailed records of all your suspended passive losses. I use a simple spreadsheet to track mine year over year, including the original source and any partial usage. It becomes really important when you eventually dispose of the property or generate passive income to offset against. The IRS doesn't send you a reminder of what you have suspended, so it's on you to track it properly. One last thought - if this hunting property ever generates rental income (like seasonal hunting leases), that would be passive income that could be offset by your suspended losses. Might be worth discussing with the family whether monetizing the property could help everyone's tax situation.

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