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Sofia Perez

Tax deductions for selling business & real estate at a loss - offsetting capital gains?

I'm in a situation that has me majorly stressing about taxes. I bought a small convenience store with an attached property about 7 years ago, and the whole thing has been a financial disaster. The area went downhill after a major employer left town, and I've been barely hanging on. I finally decided to sell both the business and the property this year, but I'm taking a serious loss compared to what I paid originally. The business itself I bought for around $175,000 (equipment, inventory, goodwill) and I'm only getting $112,000 for it. The real estate I purchased for $320,000 and it's selling for just $245,000. That's a combined loss of almost $140,000! Here's where I'm confused - I have some pretty substantial capital gains from some tech stocks I sold this year (around $95,000 in gains). Can I use these business and property losses to offset those capital gains? Or are business losses treated completely differently? My accountant is on vacation for another week and I'm trying to figure out if I should delay the closing on the business sale until next year depending on the tax situation. Any insight would be super appreciated!

This is actually a bit more complicated than a straightforward offset, but there's good news here. When you sell a business, the IRS treats different parts of the sale differently. First, the business assets need to be categorized correctly (equipment, inventory, goodwill, etc.). Each category might have different tax treatments. For example, the loss on selling equipment might be treated as an ordinary loss rather than a capital loss, depending on depreciation you've taken over the years. Inventory is generally ordinary income/loss. For the real estate, that's typically a Section 1231 property if it was used for your business. Section 1231 gains are treated as capital gains, but Section 1231 losses are treated as ordinary losses, which is actually better for you tax-wise in most cases. The good news is that ordinary losses can offset any type of income, including your capital gains from stocks. So some of your business sale losses may directly offset those stock gains, depending on how everything is categorized.

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Wait, so are you saying all of OP's $140k in losses might be able to offset ordinary income? That seems too good to be true. Doesn't the IRS limit capital loss deductions to like $3,000 a year against ordinary income? Also, what's the difference between Section 1231 and Section 1245 property? I've seen both terms thrown around.

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You're thinking of net capital losses, which do have the $3,000 limit against ordinary income. Section 1231 losses are treated as ordinary losses, not capital losses, so they don't have that same limitation. Regarding your second question, Section 1231 property generally refers to real property and depreciable property used in a trade or business for more than one year. Section 1245 property refers specifically to depreciable personal property like equipment and machinery. The key difference is in how gains are treated when the property is sold - Section 1245 property gains are subject to depreciation recapture as ordinary income, while Section 1231 gains can receive more favorable capital gains treatment.

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Don't forget to look into Section 1244 stock if your business was organized as a corporation. If you qualify, you might be able to claim an ordinary loss instead of a capital loss on the stock, up to $50,000 for individuals or $100,000 for couples filing jointly. Even if the whole $140k loss doesn't qualify for favorable treatment, getting part of it treated as ordinary losses can make a big difference. My restaurant failed last year and this saved me about $12k in taxes!

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Sofia Perez

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Thanks for mentioning this! I'm actually organized as an LLC (single-member) that's been treated as a sole proprietorship for tax purposes. Does the Section 1244 still apply in my situation? Or is that only for corporations?

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For a single-member LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship, Section 1244 wouldn't apply since there's no actual stock involved. For your situation, you'd be dealing with Schedule C for business income/loss and Form 4797 for sales of business property. The good news is that you'll likely get to treat much of your real estate loss as a Section 1231 loss, which would be treated as an ordinary loss that can offset your capital gains from stocks. The business assets will be treated according to their specific categories, with some potentially qualifying for ordinary loss treatment.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Has anyone here used the installment sale method to spread out losses like this? I'm in kinda the same boat with my hardware store but I've heard you can structure the sale to spread the tax impact over multiple years?

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Amina Sy

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You've got it backward - installment sales are for spreading out GAINS over multiple years to avoid a big tax hit all at once. If you're selling at a loss, there's usually no tax advantage to spreading it out. In fact, you typically want to recognize losses as quickly as possible to get the tax benefit now rather than later.

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Ella Knight

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Sofia, I'm really sorry to hear about your situation - losing a business is incredibly stressful both financially and emotionally. The good news is that you have some options that could help significantly with your tax burden. Based on what you've described, you'll likely be dealing with multiple forms and tax treatments. Your real estate loss will probably be treated under Section 1231, which means it would be an ordinary loss that can fully offset your $95k in capital gains from stocks. For the business assets, each category gets treated differently - equipment losses might be ordinary losses after accounting for any depreciation recapture, while inventory losses are typically ordinary as well. One thing to keep in mind is timing - if you're confident that these losses will provide substantial tax benefits this year (which they likely will), there may not be a strong reason to delay the closing. The ability to offset your capital gains could result in significant tax savings that might outweigh any potential benefits of spreading things across tax years. Since your accountant is unavailable, you might want to consider getting a second opinion from another tax professional before the closing, especially given the complexity and the amounts involved. This isn't the kind of situation where you want to guess - getting proper categorization of each asset could make a difference of thousands of dollars in your final tax liability.

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Drew Hathaway

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This is really helpful advice, Ella. I'm actually in a similar situation with my small retail business that I'm considering selling at a loss. One question - you mentioned that timing might not matter much if the losses provide substantial benefits this year, but what about the potential for higher tax rates in future years? If someone expects to be in a higher tax bracket next year, would it make sense to delay recognizing ordinary losses until then to get more benefit per dollar of loss? Or am I overthinking this?

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Sofia, I completely understand the stress you're going through - business failures are tough both financially and emotionally. The silver lining here is that your losses could actually provide significant tax relief for your capital gains situation. From what you've described, you're looking at around $140k in combined losses that will likely be categorized in ways that favor you tax-wise. Your real estate loss ($75k) will probably qualify as Section 1231 property, which means it gets treated as an ordinary loss that can directly offset your $95k in stock gains. That alone could eliminate most of your capital gains tax liability. For the business assets ($63k loss), the treatment will depend on the specific items - equipment might involve some depreciation recapture calculations, but much of it will likely also qualify for ordinary loss treatment. Inventory losses are typically ordinary losses as well. Given that you have substantial capital gains this year that these losses can offset, I'd lean toward proceeding with the sale rather than delaying. The tax benefits of recognizing these losses in 2025 when you have gains to offset them could be substantial - potentially saving you $20k+ in taxes depending on your bracket. However, with amounts this large, I'd strongly recommend getting a consultation with another tax professional before closing if your regular accountant isn't available. The proper categorization and timing of these transactions could make a significant difference in your final tax outcome.

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