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My sister dealt with this same situation. If the IRS already sent your refund including the child tax credit/EIC, there's a good chance they sided with you initially. The system automatically checks for duplicate SSNs being claimed, so they probably processed your claim first. BUT... the other person might still be going through review. If they submitted after you and included documentation, the IRS might still be reviewing their claim. In that case, you could still get a letter in the future. Keep EVERYTHING that proves you supported the child financially and that they lived with you. Calendar showing overnight stays, medical receipts, daycare payments, anything with dates on it. Don't throw away any of that until at least 3 years have passed.
Doesn't the tiebreaker rule mean that if two people can claim a child, the person with the higher AGI gets the claim? Or is that only when both people are equally eligible?
The tiebreaker rules only come into play when BOTH people are eligible to claim the dependent under all the qualifying child or qualifying relative tests. They're essentially the "last resort" when two people legitimately could claim the same dependent. In most disputes like this, the IRS determines only one person actually qualifies under the support and residency tests. If the child lived with the grandparent for more than half the year and the grandparent provided more than half the support, then the tiebreaker rules won't even be needed - the other person simply doesn't qualify regardless of their AGI.
watch out they might still audit u later. happened to my cousin last year. got the refund with dependent then 4 months later got a letter saying they were auditing. make sure u have proof of EVERYTHING. did u save receipts from when u bought stuff for the baby? need proof for: - medical expenses - food/formula - diapers - clothes - toys - percent of rent/utilities also need proof baby lived with u like mail addressed to baby at ur house, doctor records, anything with the address
You don't need proof for all that. IRS Publication 501 clearly states that for the support test, you only need to show you provided MORE than half of the child's total support for the year. You don't need to document every single expense.
ur right but in an audit they ask for everything. my cousin had to make a spreadsheet showing all expenses for the kid and who paid what. better to have too much proof than not enough! in a normal year ya don't need all that but when someone else also claimed the same kid its different. they check everything super carefully.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're trading options in an IRA, you don't have to worry about any of this tax reporting! All my buy to open, sell to close trades happen in my Roth and I never pay taxes on the gains. Just something to consider if the tax headache is too much.
Doesn't the IRA limit what kind of options strategies you can use though? I thought you couldn't sell naked calls or do certain spreads.
You're absolutely right about the limitations. In an IRA, you generally can't sell naked calls or puts because they have undefined risk and require margin. Most brokers only allow covered calls, cash-secured puts, and certain defined-risk strategies like vertical spreads. The exact permissions depend on your broker and your approved option level within the IRA. Fidelity, for example, is pretty conservative and might restrict you to just covered calls, while some others allow vertical spreads if you have enough experience and account value.
Has anyone here actually gotten audited because of options trading? I'm doing similar stuff (buy to open / sell to close) but sometimes I do like 20-30 trades a week. I'm worried that's gonna trigger something with the IRS.
Here's a simple approach I use: Just calculate 4 different versions of your weekly pay in your spreadsheet: 1. Base 40 hours (lowest withholding %) 2. Moderate OT (medium withholding %) 3. Heavy OT (highest withholding %) 4. An average based on your typical pattern Then depending on what your week looks like, you can quickly reference the appropriate scenario. Not perfect but way easier than trying to build a complex formula.
That's not a bad approach for quick budgeting! Do you have any tips for how to determine the withholding percentages for each scenario? Are you just using the actual percentages from past paychecks?
I just look at my past paystubs and calculate the actual withholding percentage for each category. So I'll find a few examples of 40-hour weeks, average the withholding percentage, and use that. Same for the other scenarios. It's not perfect, but it gets me close enough for budgeting. The key is to categorize your past paychecks based on hours worked and then find the patterns. Over time, you'll see that the percentages are fairly consistent within each band of hours.
Have you tried the IRS Withholding Calculator? It's free and on the IRS website. You can run different scenarios with different weekly incomes to see how the withholding changes. I use it every January to make sure my withholding is on track.
The IRS calculator is good for annual planning but it's not great for weekly variations. It assumes consistent income throughout the year which is exactly what OP doesn't have.
For what it's worth, I've been in tax for 20+ years and consistently use 7 years for restaurant POS systems. The language in Rev. Proc. 87-56 is pretty clear if you look at Asset Class 57.0. Also, consider that franchise agreements typically last 10-20 years, and the POS systems are usually required by the franchisor as part of the agreement. The systems are designed to last substantially longer than general computer equipment.
Thanks for your insight! That's a really good point about the franchise agreement duration and the fact that the franchisor requires specific POS systems. In your experience, do fast food franchisors typically require POS system replacements or major upgrades during the franchise term? Or do they generally last the distance?
In my experience, most fast food franchisors require major POS upgrades every 5-7 years, but not complete replacements. The hardware components might get swapped out, but that's often handled as repair and maintenance rather than a new capital expenditure. Franchisors are primarily concerned with system uniformity across all locations. They want consistent reporting, menu management, and customer experience. So even if the technology could physically last longer, franchise requirements often dictate the practical useful life.
Has anyone dealt with POS systems that have integrated payment processing hardware? Our client has those Square-type systems that combine traditional POS functions with the credit card reader. Would those components potentially be treated differently?
In my experience, even with integrated payment processing, the entire unit is still treated as a single asset under the 7-year class life. The IRS generally doesn't want us breaking down assets into components unless they're truly separate and distinct assets.
Natasha Volkov
Something nobody mentioned yet - make sure you don't have any EARNINGS in the traditional IRA before you convert to Roth! If your money sits in the traditional IRA and earns interest or dividends before conversion, those earnings will be taxable when you convert to Roth. Best practice is to convert immediately after contributing to minimize any earnings.
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Miguel Herrera
ā¢How quickly should I do the conversion after contributing? Mine sat for about 2 weeks and earned like $12 in interest. Is that going to cause issues?
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Natasha Volkov
ā¢A couple weeks is totally fine, and $12 in interest isn't going to cause major issues. You'll just need to pay taxes on that $12 when you do your 2024 taxes (since that's when the conversion happened). The real problems happen when people contribute to a traditional IRA and then wait months or even a year before converting, allowing significant earnings to accumulate. Some people have their traditional IRA in investments that could grow substantially before conversion, creating a larger tax bill.
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Javier Torres
Has anyone used TurboTax for backdoor Roth reporting? I'm trying to figure out if it handles Form 8606 correctly or if I should use a different software.
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Emma Wilson
ā¢I've used TurboTax for backdoor Roth for the past 3 years. It works but is a bit confusing. When it asks if you want to deduct your traditional IRA contribution, make sure to say NO. Then it will guide you through the Form 8606 for non-deductible contributions. The next year, it'll help you report the conversion with the 1099-R.
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