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Sofia Price

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Make sure you consider all your income sources when filling out the W4. Since the 2020 redesign, the form is supposed to be more accurate but it's also more complicated. If you have any investment income, side hustles, rental property, etc. that might not have withholding, you'll need to account for that by either doing quarterly estimated payments or increasing your withholding at your main job.

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Lara Woods

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Thanks for bringing this up! I do have about $3,000 a year from a small side gig. Should I be accounting for that directly on the W4 or should I be doing those quarterly payments you mentioned?

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Sofia Price

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For $3,000 in side income, you have two options. You can include it on your W4 by adding the estimated tax amount in Step 4(a) as "other income" which will increase your withholding from your main job to cover it. Alternatively, you could make quarterly estimated payments. This is often better if your side income fluctuates a lot. The rule of thumb is if you expect to owe more than $1,000 at tax time, you should make estimated payments to avoid an underpayment penalty. For $3,000 in extra income, you're probably looking at around $500-700 in additional tax depending on your tax bracket.

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Don't overthink this! The W4 isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. For your situation, just check "married filing separately," put your dependent in Step 3, and leave the rest blank if you only have one job with no other income. If you want to be super safe, put an extra $50 per paycheck in line 4(c) for additional withholding. Better to get a small refund than owe!

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Owen Jenkins

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This is bad advice. Blanket recommendations like "put an extra $50" don't account for specific situations. That could be way too much or too little depending on income level and other factors. The whole point of the new W4 is to be more precise.

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Another option might be to verify the SSN issue with the Social Security Administration first, rather than assuming it's just because the SSNs are new. There could be a discrepancy between what's on the card and what's in their system. I had a similar issue last year where the client had a child with a perfectly valid SSN from the previous year, but their last name had changed due to adoption. The SSA had the update but it hadn't propagated to the IRS yet. Have you checked that the Social Security records match exactly what you're entering? Name spelling, birth date, everything? Sometimes these minor differences cause rejections even when the SSN itself is valid.

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That's a great point I hadn't considered! I did confirm with the parents that the names on the Social Security cards match exactly what we're entering on the return, including middle initials and spelling. Birth dates also match perfectly. The only unusual aspect is that these are twins born in December, but they didn't receive their actual SSN cards until February this year. I'm wondering if maybe the SSA records could have some discrepancy even though the physical cards look correct?

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Twins born in December with SSNs issued in February definitely points to the "new SSN not in database" issue. But it's always worth double-checking with SSA directly just to rule out any other problems. You can verify the SSNs with the Social Security Administration by going to their office with your clients (with proper authorization forms) or by having your clients request a Social Security Statement. If everything checks out with SSA, then it's almost certainly just the delay in the information transfer between SSA and IRS systems. Given that information and the timing, I'd probably recommend paper filing now rather than waiting for an extension. Even with the current backlog, the paper return should still be processed well before October.

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Don't forget that there's a significant difference in how quickly different IRS processing centers handle paper returns. Where your clients live makes a huge difference! Paper returns sent to the Austin center seem to be moving faster right now (about 5 weeks), while Kansas City is taking closer to 8-9 weeks based on what I've seen with my clients this season. Make sure to use certified mail with tracking so you have proof of when it was delivered! I've had clients' paper returns get "lost" before, and the tracking receipt was the only thing that saved us from having to resubmit and start the clock all over again.

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Which processing center handles returns from Florida? My client is in Miami and I'm helping them with a similar issue.

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Rhett Bowman

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Don't forget to set aside money for your state taxes too! Everyone's talking about federal, but depending on your state, you might need to make estimated state tax payments as well. I learned this the hard way last year when I got hit with a state underpayment penalty even though I was current on my federal payments.

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Dylan Fisher

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I completely forgot about state taxes! Do I need to make quarterly payments to the state too, or is that a different process from the federal estimated payments?

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Rhett Bowman

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Yes, many states require quarterly estimated tax payments similar to the federal system, though the due dates and calculation methods might be slightly different. Your state's department of revenue or taxation website should have forms and information specifically for estimated taxes. Some states even have lower thresholds than the federal government for when you're required to make estimated payments, so don't assume the rules are identical.

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One thing I'd suggest is using tax software that's good for self-employment rather than the basic versions. I tried using the free online one I normally use and it was a nightmare for handling my tutoring side gig. TurboTax Self-Employed or H&R Block Self-Employed are worth the money imo.

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Daniel White

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I've heard good things about FreeTaxUSA too. Much cheaper than TurboTax but still handles self-employment well. Anyone tried it?

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Lydia Bailey

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you file jointly, both of you are responsible for the entire tax return. If your spouse has any sketchy tax situations or might be underreporting income, you could be on the hook too. Just something to consider if that's a concern! My brother got hit with a huge tax bill from his ex-wife's unreported income from years they filed jointly, even though they were already divorced by the time the IRS caught it.

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Mateo Warren

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This is such an important point! When my friend got married, her husband had back taxes and liens. When they filed jointly, her refund got seized to pay HIS old tax debts. She was furious because she had no idea this could happen.

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Lydia Bailey

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Exactly! The IRS calls it "joint and several liability" which basically means both spouses are fully responsible for all taxes due, regardless of who earned the income or claimed deductions. There is something called "innocent spouse relief" that can help in extreme cases, but it's difficult to qualify for and a huge hassle to go through. Much easier to just file separately if you have any concerns about your spouse's tax situation.

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Sofia Price

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I might be the outlier here but filing separately actually saved us money last year. My wife has tons of medical expenses (over 12% of her income) and when we filed separately, she was able to deduct them since they exceeded 7.5% of just her income. When we calculated jointly, the combined income was too high for her to get the medical deduction. Saved us about $1,200 doing it separately!

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This is a great point! Another situation where filing separately can help: income-based student loan repayment. If one spouse has federal student loans on an income-driven repayment plan, filing separately can keep their payments lower since only their income counts.

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Sofia Price

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You're absolutely right about the student loan situation! I forgot to mention that was actually another factor for us. My wife is on an income-based repayment plan for her grad school loans, and filing separately kept her monthly payments about $180 lower than they would have been if we filed jointly. The tradeoff is we lost some tax credits, but the yearly savings on loan payments more than made up for it. Definitely a situation where you need to do the math both ways.

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Ravi Patel

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Former HOA board member here. The property manager is 100% wrong and I suspect they just don't want to do the extra work. Your HOA should absolutely provide you with documentation showing what portion of your dues went toward property taxes. In our HOA, we included this breakdown in our annual financial statement to all owners automatically. It's not difficult accounting - they know exactly how much they paid in property taxes and how many units share that cost.

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Amina Bah

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Thanks for the insight! Do you think it would help if I reached out to individual board members instead of just the property manager? Or should I bring it up at the next board meeting?

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Ravi Patel

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Definitely reach out to board members directly. Property managers sometimes filter what gets to the board, and your board members might not even be aware of your request. I'd send an email to the board president specifically. Bringing it up at a board meeting is also effective. Put your request in writing beforehand asking to be added to the meeting agenda. When other owners hear about it, they'll likely want the same information, which puts pressure on the board to address it properly. Most board members are just owners like you and would want this documentation for their own taxes too.

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Check your HOA's annual financial statement! Even if they won't give you a special document, the information is probably already available to you. Look for line items like "property taxes" or "real estate taxes" in the annual budget or financial report. Then just calculate your percentage based on your ownership share (usually listed in your master deed or condo docs). If you own 2% of the development, then you can deduct 2% of the total property taxes paid by the HOA.

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Omar Zaki

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This is what I did with my townhouse. Our HOA wouldn't provide individual breakdowns, but I found the property tax line in the annual budget and calculated my share based on square footage. I've been deducting it for years with no problems.

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