Need clarification on Form 5471 Schedule P Part 2 - dollar basis calculation for 2023
So I'm knee deep in my taxes and stuck on this Form 5471 for my 2023 filing. I've got a foreign corporation situation and I'm really confused about Schedule P Part 2. The instructions for Schedule P Part 2 state: > Dollar basis. Enter amounts in U.S. dollars. The U.S. shareholder's U.S. dollar basis in PTEP is generally equal to the U.S. dollar amount of E&P that the U.S. shareholder previously included in gross income. See section 989(b)(1) and (3); and Regulations sections 1.951A-1(d)(1) and 1.965-1(b)(1) and (2). > The U.S. shareholder's U.S. dollar basis is used by the U.S. shareholder to determine the amount of foreign currency gain or loss on the PTEP that the U.S. shareholder is required to recognize under section 986(c). I'm trying to figure out if the entries in line 1a should be the dollar balance carried over from my 2022 Schedule P, or if I'm supposed to convert the functional currency balances shown in Part 1 using the 2023 exchange rate? This is my first year dealing with foreign income at this level and I want to make sure I'm not screwing up the currency translation parts. Anyone dealt with this before?
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Luca Esposito
The dollar basis in Schedule P Part 2 line 1a should indeed be carried over from your 2022 Schedule P Part 2 ending balance. You're on the right track! This represents the U.S. dollar amount of previously taxed E&P that you've already included in your gross income. What the instructions are trying to explain is that you need to maintain this dollar basis separately from the functional currency amounts in Part 1 because the dollar basis is used to calculate foreign currency gain/loss under section 986(c). If you were to convert the functional currency balances from Part 1 using the 2023 exchange rate, you'd lose track of the original dollar amounts that were previously taxed. The whole point of Schedule P Part 2 is to track your basis in previously taxed E&P in U.S. dollars, which allows you to properly calculate currency gain/loss when distributions are made from the foreign corporation.
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Nia Thompson
•Thanks for the explanation. I'm also dealing with this form for the first time. Quick follow-up: if there were no distributions made from the foreign corp during 2023, would I still need to calculate any currency gain/loss? And also, if exchange rates changed dramatically between 2022 and 2023, does that impact anything on Schedule P?
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Luca Esposito
•If there were no distributions made from the foreign corporation during 2023, you don't need to calculate any currency gain/loss under section 986(c) for that year. The gain/loss only gets triggered when the PTEP is actually distributed. Exchange rate fluctuations between 2022 and 2023 don't impact your dollar basis amounts in Part 2 if there were no additional inclusions or distributions. The basis amounts stay the same until there's a transaction that affects them. However, the exchange rate differences will create a disconnect between the functional currency balances (when converted to USD) and your dollar basis amounts - this difference is what ultimately becomes your 986(c) gain/loss when distributions occur.
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Mateo Rodriguez
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Aisha Abdullah
•How exactly does this work? Do you upload your prior year forms and it figures out the carryover amounts? I'm dealing with a CFC in Singapore and the functional currency translation is driving me crazy.
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Ethan Wilson
•I'm skeptical about any automated tool handling something as complex as Form 5471. Does it actually work with all the different PTEP categories? What about Section 965 transition tax amounts that might still be in there from a few years back?
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Mateo Rodriguez
•It works by analyzing your prior-year forms and foreign entity financial statements after you upload them. The system then identifies the correct exchange rates to apply and tracks the PTEP categories across years. For your Singapore situation, it would maintain separate tracking of the functional currency amounts and the USD basis amounts. Yes, it definitely handles all the PTEP categories, including the Section 965 transition tax amounts from previous years. That was actually one of my biggest challenges - I had Section 965 inclusions from 2017 that were being tracked across multiple categories, and the tool correctly maintained those balances and showed me exactly how they should flow through to the current year. It also flagged when my accountant had incorrectly merged some categories that should have remained separate.
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Ethan Wilson
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NeonNova
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Yuki Tanaka
•How does this actually work? Do they just connect you to the regular IRS line? I've been trying to reach someone about my foreign corporation reporting for weeks.
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Carmen Diaz
•Sorry, but I find it hard to believe you got through to an actual IRS international tax specialist. Those people are like unicorns. Even tax practitioners have trouble reaching them. Are you sure you didn't just get a regular IRS customer service rep who might not fully understand the complexities of Form 5471?
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NeonNova
•It doesn't connect you to the regular IRS line. They use some technology that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When they finally reach a human, they call you and connect you. For international tax issues, they specifically try to get you to the international department. No, I definitely spoke with someone from the international division. The representative identified herself as being from that department and showed a deep understanding of Form 5471 specifically. She knew all about the PTEP categories, how they interact with Section 986(c), and the specific Schedule P Part 2 reporting requirements. This wasn't a general customer service rep - she was answering technical questions that only a specialist would know.
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Carmen Diaz
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Andre Laurent
I ran into this exact issue last year. Here's what my CPA explained to me: the dollar basis in Schedule P Part 2 needs to track the actual dollar amounts that were included in your income in previous years. Think of it like your basis in a stock - you need to know what you paid (in dollars) to calculate your gain when you sell. Similarly, you need to know what amounts were included in your income (in dollars) to calculate currency gain/loss when you receive distributions. If you converted the functional currency to dollars using the current year rate, you'd be creating an artificial basis amount that doesn't reflect what was actually included in your income. Hope that helps!
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StarStrider
•Thanks for the stock analogy - that makes it click for me! So to confirm, my approach should be to take the ending dollar basis from my 2022 Schedule P Part 2 and use that as my beginning balance for 2023, rather than doing any conversion using 2023 rates. That makes sense from a basis tracking perspective.
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Andre Laurent
•Exactly right! Just carry forward those dollar basis amounts from the 2022 ending balance to your 2023 beginning balance. No conversion needed for that part. The only time you'd use 2023 rates is if you had new subpart F or GILTI inclusions during 2023 - those would be converted at the appropriate 2023 rates and added to your existing basis amounts.
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Emily Jackson
Does anyone know if there's a way to recreate the Schedule P Part 2 if you didn't properly track this in prior years? I've got functional currency amounts but never maintained the separate dollar basis tracking until now.
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Luca Esposito
•You can recreate it by going back to the years when you first had subpart F or GILTI inclusions and determining what dollar amounts were actually included in your income. Look at your prior year Forms 5471 and 8992 to find these amounts. Then you'd need to track what distributions have been made since then and calculate any Section 986(c) gain/loss that should have been recognized. It's a bit of work but definitely possible to reconstruct if you have all your prior year information.
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Emily Jackson
•Thanks! I've got all my prior forms so I'll dig through them. One more question - once I reconstruct the dollar basis amounts, do I need to amend any prior returns if I find I should have recognized 986(c) gains or losses that I didn't report?
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Maya Patel
•That's a great question about amending returns. Generally, if you discover unreported Section 986(c) gains or losses from prior years, you should consider amending those returns, especially if the amounts are material. The IRS can assess penalties for underreporting foreign currency gains. However, if you're reconstructing everything now and going forward with proper tracking, you might want to consult with a tax professional about whether to amend or if there are any voluntary disclosure options available. The statute of limitations is typically 3 years, but it can be longer for international issues if there were substantial omissions. @1dc1fac72b82 You'll want to be careful about how you handle this reconstruction to avoid creating more problems down the road.
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Mia Rodriguez
I've been dealing with Form 5471 for several years now and can confirm what others have said - you absolutely need to carry forward the dollar basis amounts from your 2022 Schedule P Part 2 ending balance to your 2023 beginning balance. Don't convert using 2023 rates. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also make sure you're properly categorizing any new 2023 inclusions by the correct PTEP category (Section 951(a), Section 951A, etc.) when you add them to your basis amounts. Each category needs to be tracked separately because they have different distribution ordering rules. Also, if you had any actual distributions during 2023, make sure you're reducing your basis amounts in the proper LIFO order and calculating the Section 986(c) gain/loss on the difference between your dollar basis and the dollar value of the distribution. This is where a lot of people mess up the currency calculations.
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