Does Section 1244 apply to a startup loan converted to stock for tax loss?

This is actually a legitimate strategy, but it comes with some important caveats. Section 1244 does allow ordinary loss treatment (against your W2 income) instead of capital loss treatment in certain situations involving small business stock. However, for this to work: 1) The corporation must have received less than $1 million in total money/property for its stock, 2) The corporation's capital must come primarily from business operations (not investments), 3) The stock must have been issued directly to you as an individual (not through another entity), and 4) You must have received the stock in exchange for money or property (not services). The timing is crucial here - the conversion should happen before the business completely ceases operations. If the business has already completely folded, the IRS might view this as a tax avoidance scheme rather than a legitimate conversion. Also be aware that the maximum ordinary loss you can claim is $50,000 for individuals or $100,000 for joint filers per year.

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I actually went through this exact situation with a failed startup investment in 2023. One critical detail nobody has mentioned: you need to make sure the business itself designates the stock as "Section 1244 stock" in its corporate records AT THE TIME OF ISSUANCE. If the company has already issued you stock without this designation, you can't retroactively claim Section 1244 treatment. Also, timing truly is everything - if the company is already completely worthless, the IRS will likely disallow the conversion since there was no actual "exchange" of value.

Just a warning - I tried something similar and got audited. The IRS questioned whether the loan was ever legitimate or if it was always intended as an investment. They also scrutinized whether the company was already worthless before the conversion. Make sure you have documentation showing it was a real loan with repayment terms, interest, etc., and that the company still had SOME value at conversion time.

This is exactly the kind of complex tax situation where you really need proper documentation and timing. Based on what others have shared, it sounds like Section 1244 treatment is possible but there are several critical requirements you need to meet. From my understanding, the key issues are: 1) The company needs to formally designate the converted shares as Section 1244 stock in their corporate records, 2) The conversion needs to happen while the company still has some minimal value (even if it's failing), 3) You need proper documentation of the original loan terms, and 4) The company must meet the capitalization requirements (under $1M total). Since your friend's company has shut down operations but hasn't formally dissolved yet, you might still be within the window to make this work. I'd strongly recommend getting professional tax advice before proceeding though - the audit risk mentioned by others is real, and the IRS will scrutinize these types of transactions closely. Have you verified that the startup meets all the Section 1244 requirements, particularly the total capitalization limit?