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Mei Liu

Can I claim a nonbusiness bad debt deduction for $4000 my friend never repaid on a $5000 loan contract?

So I'm in a terrible situation with a former friend. I loaned him $5000 about 2 years ago and made sure to have a proper loan contract drawn up (learned that lesson the hard way in the past). He made one payment of $1000 around 4 months after I gave him the money, but then completely ghosted me. I've sent texts, emails, called, even went by his place a couple times but he's avoiding me. I've been doing research on tax deductions and stumbled across something called a "nonbusiness bad debt" deduction. From what I understand, you can deduct loans that go bad as a short-term capital loss. Here's what's confusing me - I read somewhere that the nonbusiness bad debt has to be **totally** worthless to be deductible. I just don't know what that means exactly. Does my situation qualify? He paid back $1000 of the $5000, so I'm out $4000. Does the fact that he made a partial payment disqualify me from claiming this as a bad debt deduction? Has anyone dealt with this before? Would really appreciate some guidance because $4000 is a lot of money to just write off without trying to get some tax benefit from it at least.

You're on the right track with your research but there are some important things to understand about nonbusiness bad debt deductions. For a debt to be considered "totally worthless," you need to have taken reasonable steps to collect and be able to show there's no reasonable expectation of repayment. The fact that your friend made a partial payment doesn't automatically disqualify you, but you need to demonstrate you've exhausted reasonable collection efforts. Have you sent formal demand letters? Considered small claims court? These steps help establish that you've made genuine efforts to collect. The IRS wants to see you've tried reasonable measures before claiming the deduction. If you do claim it, you'll report it on Schedule D as a short-term capital loss, regardless of how long the debt was outstanding. This can offset capital gains or up to $3,000 of ordinary income per year. Keep all documentation - the loan agreement, records of payment received, and especially evidence of your attempts to collect (texts, emails, certified letters, etc.). This will be crucial if you're audited.

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Amara Nwosu

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Would they need to actually take the friend to small claims court before claiming the deduction? Or is just showing they tried to collect enough? Also, if they do get a judgment but can't collect on it, does that automatically make the debt "worthless" for tax purposes?

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You don't necessarily need to have taken them to small claims court before claiming the deduction, but you should have made reasonable efforts to collect the debt that you can document. Sending formal demand letters, documented attempts to contact them about repayment, and similar actions can help establish you've made good faith efforts. If you do take them to court and get a judgment that you can't collect on, this significantly strengthens your case that the debt is worthless. A court judgment that proves uncollectible is excellent documentation to support your deduction claim, though the IRS may still want to see what efforts you made to collect on that judgment.

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AstroExplorer

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AstroExplorer

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Something important to consider that nobody has mentioned yet: make sure that loan was actually made with the expectation of repayment. The IRS looks at whether you had a reasonable expectation of being paid back when you made the loan. If they determine you never really expected to get paid back (like if your friend had terrible credit or no income), they might classify it as a gift rather than a loan that went bad. Also, keep in mind that nonbusiness bad debts are treated as short-term capital losses even if the loan was for more than a year. This means you're limited to offsetting capital gains plus up to $3,000 of ordinary income per year. If your loss is bigger than that, you'll carry the remainder forward to future tax years.

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Ava Johnson

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Does having a written loan contract automatically prove it wasn't a gift? Or does the IRS look for other evidence too? Like what if the friend never made any payments at all?

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A written loan contract is definitely helpful but doesn't automatically prove it wasn't a gift. The IRS looks at the entire situation. They consider factors like: Was there a reasonable expectation of repayment? Did you charge interest? Were there regular payment schedules? Did you make efforts to collect when payments weren't made? If your friend never made any payments at all, that might raise more red flags with the IRS. However, if you can show you took reasonable steps to collect (demand letters, texts/emails requesting payment, etc.), that helps demonstrate you genuinely intended it as a loan. Documentation is key - the more evidence you have showing you treated this as a serious financial transaction, the stronger your case.

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Miguel Diaz

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I went through almost the identical situation last year with a cousin. Loaned $6,500, got back $2,000, and then nothing despite dozens of texts and calls. I claimed the bad debt deduction and it did work, but here's a tip: document EVERYTHING. I made a simple timeline of all attempts to collect (with screenshots of texts and emails). Also, I did send a certified demand letter as a final step which helped prove I made reasonable collection efforts. The tax software I was using (TurboTax) actually had a specific section for bad debts under capital losses. My refund went through without any issues, but I've heard these deductions can sometimes trigger additional review, so having good documentation ready is important.

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Zainab Ahmed

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Did you have to provide all that documentation when you filed or just keep it in case of an audit? My tax software doesn't seem to have any place to upload proof.

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