Can I claim business bad debt deduction on my taxes this year for unpaid loan?
I made a $52,000 loan to a small manufacturing company back in February 2023 with a signed promissory note transferred from my personal checking account. It's been almost two years, and despite multiple promises to repay, they've completely ghosted me. My attorney sent a formal demand letter last month, and the company basically told us to pound sand. I'm not really wanting to spend thousands on litigation with no guarantee of getting anything back. The company is still operating but clearly in financial trouble based on what I've heard from former employees. I have the promissory note, bank transfer records, text messages confirming the loan terms, and now the demand letter from my lawyer. What I don't have is concrete proof the debt is "worthless" - they haven't filed bankruptcy or anything. I filed an extension on my 2024 taxes until October 15th. Can I claim this as a business bad debt deduction on this year's tax return, or do I need to wait until next year? What kind of documentation would I need to prove the debt is uncollectible? I'm beyond frustrated with this company, but trying to make the best of a bad situation if there's a tax benefit.
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Ravi Sharma
You're dealing with a challenging situation that many people face with business loans gone bad. The IRS does allow deductions for business bad debts, but there are specific requirements you need to meet. First, you need to establish that this was truly a business loan rather than a personal one, which sounds like you can do with your promissory note and documentation. Business bad debts are deducted as ordinary losses, while personal bad debts are treated as short-term capital losses with more limitations. For the debt to be deductible, you need to show it became "worthless" during the tax year you're claiming it. You don't necessarily need the company to declare bankruptcy, but you do need to demonstrate you've taken reasonable steps to collect and that there's no realistic expectation of repayment. Some ways to document worthlessness might include: correspondence showing the company admits inability to pay, evidence of the company selling major assets, documentation of failed collection attempts, or business financial statements showing insolvency. Since you've filed an extension to October 2024, you could potentially claim it this year if you can gather evidence of worthlessness before filing. Keep gathering documentation about their financial situation.
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Isabella Ferreira
•Thanks for the detailed response. So it sounds like the demand letter isn't enough by itself? Would getting a statement from my lawyer saying that further collection efforts would likely be futile help establish worthlessness? I've also heard rumors they've been selling equipment but don't have proof.
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Ravi Sharma
•A demand letter alone isn't typically sufficient, but a formal legal opinion from your attorney about the futility of collection could certainly strengthen your case. This would show you've taken reasonable steps to collect and have professional guidance on the likelihood of recovery. If you can document those equipment sales, that would be very helpful evidence. Consider checking public records for UCC filings or property records that might show assets being transferred or new liens being placed. Social media or local business news might also provide documentation of downsizing or financial troubles.
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NebulaNomad
After reading about your situation, I had something similar happen last year with a business loan that went south. I spent weeks going in circles with the IRS website and getting different answers from every tax preparer I talked to. Finally tried https://taxr.ai where you can upload your loan docs and get a clear answer on deductibility. They analyzed my promissory note and demand letters and explained exactly what additional documentation I needed for my case. Their system reviewed a bunch of similar IRS cases and showed me how to properly document the debt as worthless without waiting for bankruptcy. Saved me a ton of time trying to interpret the tax code myself. Might be worth checking out since business bad debt rules are super specific.
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Freya Thomsen
•Does taxr.ai actually connect you with real tax professionals or is it just another AI thing? I've had bad experiences with generic tax advice that doesn't apply to my situation.
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Omar Fawaz
•How long did it take to get results? I'm wondering if this would work for my situation where I'm trying to write off inventory that a customer never paid for. It's not exactly a loan but feels similar.
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NebulaNomad
•They have tax professionals who review the AI analysis, so you get both the software analyzing tax cases plus human verification of the recommendations. They specifically told me when my situation had some nuances that required additional documentation the AI initially missed. It took about 3 days total - I uploaded my documents the first day, got the initial analysis the next day, and then had a follow-up with specific recommendations the day after. For your inventory situation, they could probably help since bad debt and worthless inventory both require similar documentation of attempts to collect.
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Freya Thomsen
Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai for my own situation with business debt. Really surprised by how specific their guidance was. I uploaded my loan documentation and got back a detailed explanation of exactly what I was missing to prove worthlessness. They showed me similar IRS cases where taxpayers successfully claimed the deduction without having to wait for bankruptcy. The most helpful part was getting templates for documenting collection attempts and a checklist of evidence needed for my specific circumstances. Definitely more helpful than the generic advice I was getting elsewhere. Worth checking out if you're dealing with this kind of situation.
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Chloe Martin
Something else to consider - have you tried calling the IRS directly to ask about your situation? I've been dealing with a slightly different bad debt issue and spent WEEKS trying to get through to someone who could actually help. I finally used https://claimyr.com to get through to an agent (you can see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) after being on hold for hours with no luck. Got connected to a specialist who walked me through exactly what documentation they look for in business bad debt cases during audits. Apparently they have specific guidelines for different industries and loan types. The agent confirmed I didn't need to wait for bankruptcy to claim the deduction as long as I had evidence of insolvency and reasonable collection attempts.
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Isabella Ferreira
•Is this actually legit? Seems too good to be true that there's a way to skip the IRS hold queues. How does it work and did you actually get helpful info from the IRS agent?
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Diego Rojas
•I'm skeptical. The IRS agents I've talked to refuse to give specific advice and just refer to publications. Did they actually give you useful guidance or just general information you could find online?
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Chloe Martin
•It's completely legitimate - they use a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and holds your place in line, then calls you when an agent is about to answer. I was connected within about 45 minutes rather than the 3+ hours I spent on previous attempts. The specific agent I spoke with was surprisingly helpful, though I know experiences vary. She walked me through the actual internal guidelines they use when reviewing these cases (Publication 535 has some info but not the detailed criteria they use). She explained that they look for a pattern of collection attempts followed by documentation of inability to pay - and confirmed that formal bankruptcy isn't always necessary if you can show other evidence of insolvency.
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Diego Rojas
I have to eat crow and update my skeptical comment. After waiting on hold with the IRS for nearly 2 hours yesterday and getting disconnected, I broke down and tried Claimyr this morning. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 30 minutes who was actually knowledgeable about business bad debt. The agent explained that for my situation (similar to yours but with a contractor), I needed to document both my attempts to collect AND evidence the debt is uncollectible. She specifically mentioned that statements from collections agencies declining to take the case can serve as evidence, which I hadn't thought of before. Also recommended getting a credit report on the business to document their financial troubles. Definitely worth the call - I got specific actionable information rather than just referrals to publications.
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Anastasia Sokolov
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you might want to consider claiming this as a non-business bad debt if you can't fully document it as a business bad debt. Non-business bad debts are treated as short-term capital losses, which isn't as good as an ordinary business loss, but still better than nothing. For it to qualify as a business bad debt, you generally need to show you were in the business of lending money or that the loan was somehow related to your trade or business. If it was just a one-off loan, the IRS might challenge a business bad debt classification. I went through this last year with a similar amount and ended up going the non-business bad debt route because it was less documentation and less risk of audit.
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Isabella Ferreira
•Interesting point! I actually made this loan with the intention of potentially becoming a partner in the business later, so there was a business motive beyond just earning interest. Would that help establish it as a business rather than personal loan?
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Anastasia Sokolov
•That business connection definitely strengthens your case for treating it as a business bad debt. Keep any emails or documents that show discussions about partnership or business involvement. The key distinction the IRS looks for is whether you made the loan as an investment with business interests or simply as a personal loan. If you can document that connection to your own business activities or potential participation in their business, you're in a much better position to claim it as a business bad debt, which gives you the more favorable ordinary loss treatment rather than capital loss limitations.
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StarSeeker
Don't forget the timing issue - the bad debt deduction must be taken in the year the debt actually becomes worthless, not when you decide to write it off. If you have evidence it became worthless in 2023, you should take it then. If it's becoming worthless in 2024, take it this year. Taking it in the wrong year is a common mistake and the IRS can disallow the deduction even if you have all the right documentation. Since you filed an extension for 2024 taxes (due Oct 2024), you need to determine if the worthlessness occurred in this tax year.
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Sean O'Donnell
•This is so important! My accountant told me the IRS is particularly picky about the timing of bad debt deductions. They expect you to take reasonable steps to collect before claiming worthlessness, but also don't want you waiting years after it's clearly uncollectible.
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