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Zoe Alexopoulos

Old tax debt from $55K ballooned to $190K in 10 years - what are my options now?

So about 10 years ago I had a business that was doing pretty well. Made enough to rack up about $65K in taxes for one year - roughly $53K federal and $12K state. Then the business started struggling. I made the risky choice of using tax money I owed (all 1099 self-employment taxes) to try keeping the business afloat rather than just paying the tax bill and closing up. Well, that gamble didn't work out, and I've been carrying this tax burden for over a decade now. Currently, I'm looking at owing around $85K to the feds, but what's crazy is the state is claiming I owe something like $135K... which seems impossible based on the original amount. I basically buried my head in the sand all this time. I did try talking to the IRS about 3 years after everything fell apart to set up payments, but they wanted $2,500 monthly when I wasn't even bringing in that much personally. They told me to just pay what I could, but I'd heard about this '10-year statute of limitations' where they only have a decade to collect before it becomes uncollectable. So I figured waiting it out was my best option. But here we are 10 years later, and I'm not sure where I stand. Seems weird to call the IRS like "hey it's been 10 years, are we good now?" During this time, I've scraped by (still filed and paid my current year taxes), but never touched that huge old bill. I can't keep any real money in bank accounts because tax liens occasionally hit and clean me out. They've done this twice, both times getting less than $120. They haven't hit me again recently, probably because they know there's nothing there. I'm tired of living like this. I either want to know how much longer this cloud hangs over me, or find a solution to settle and move forward. I've heard about offers in compromise, but I'm basically broke. I can't magically produce $25-35K for a settlement offer. My credit is destroyed. The only positive is I've got another business starting to gain traction, and I want to resolve this old mess so I can move forward properly. Any advice on what path I should take? Can't afford a tax attorney right now. Just looking for guidance on possible resolution options that I can research further. Thanks for any help!

The 10-year statute of limitations for IRS tax debt collection is real, but it's more complicated than most people realize. The clock starts when the tax is assessed, not when you incurred the debt, and there are many ways this period can be extended or "tolled." If you've filed bankruptcy, submitted an Offer in Compromise, requested a Collection Due Process hearing, or lived outside the US for an extended period during these 10 years, the clock would have paused. Even requesting an installment agreement can extend the collection period. For your state tax debt, each state has different rules about collection periods. Some follow the IRS 10-year rule, but others can be much longer or even indefinite. The dramatic increase in your state debt suggests they've been adding substantial penalties and interest. Your best first step is to request account transcripts from the IRS (you can do this online through IRS.gov) to see the actual assessment dates and collection statute expiration dates. For state taxes, contact your state tax authority to get a clear accounting of what you owe and when it was assessed.

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Mei Wong

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So if I filed for an installment plan years ago even though I never followed through with it, would that have paused the clock? Also how do you look up the collection statute expiration date? Is that something that shows up on the transcript or do I have to calculate it myself?

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Yes, simply requesting an installment agreement could have paused the collection statute - the clock typically stops while the IRS is considering your request and may not restart immediately. The Collection Statute Expiration Date (CSED) should appear directly on your tax account transcript. It's usually listed near each tax assessment, showing exactly when the collection period expires for that particular tax year. No calculation needed on your part - the transcript will show the actual date the IRS has in their system.

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QuantumQuasar

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Liam McGuire

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How does it actually work though? Do you just upload your tax documents and it tells you what to do? I'm worried about putting all my tax info into some random website.

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Amara Eze

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Did they help with state taxes too? My state debt is actually worse than my federal at this point and I've heard states can be even more aggressive than the IRS.

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QuantumQuasar

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You upload your IRS transcripts and notices through their secure system, and their AI analyzes everything - identifying dates, assessments, collections, penalties, and statute expiration dates. They use bank-level security encryption, so it's as safe as doing online banking. Yes, they actually cover state taxes too! That was crucial for me because my state was being way more aggressive than the IRS. They identified that my state had miscalculated some penalties and helped me draft a dispute letter that ended up reducing my state debt by about 30%. Each state has different rules, but they have specialists who understand the specific collection statutes for each one.

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Amara Eze

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Just wanted to update everyone - I took the advice and tried taxr.ai after posting here. It was actually pretty eye-opening. Found out that about $27K of my federal tax debt is actually past the collection statute already! The system showed me that some of my assessments from 2013 and 2014 had reached their CSED last year, but the IRS was still including them in my total balance. Even more shocking was discovering the state had made a massive calculation error. They'd been compounding penalties incorrectly and charging me interest on taxes that should have been reduced through a business loss carryforward that my original accountant missed. The analysis showed I could potentially reduce my state debt by over $50K through the proper filings. I wouldn't have figured any of this out on my own. Currently using their letter templates to dispute the incorrect amounts. Will let you guys know how it goes, but already feeling like there's light at the end of this very long tunnel.

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How does this service even work? The IRS phone lines are completely jammed - how do they get you through when nobody else can?

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Dylan Wright

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Dylan Wright

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Sofia Torres

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you're starting a new business that's gaining traction, you need to be extremely careful. The IRS can seize business assets and accounts receivable from your new venture to satisfy old tax debts. I'd strongly recommend creating a formal separation between yourself and the new business. Talk to a business attorney about creating the right entity structure that provides some protection. Might be worth looking into a partnership arrangement where you're not the majority owner, which could offer some insulation from personal tax liabilities. Also, make absolutely sure you're staying 100% compliant with all current tax obligations for the new business. The quickest way to compound your problems is to create new tax issues while trying to resolve the old ones.

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Thanks for bringing this up - definitely something I'm worried about. Would an LLC provide any protection in this case? Or would the IRS be able to pierce that since I'm the owner and it's my personal tax debt they're after?

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Sofia Torres

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An LLC alone won't provide much protection from the IRS for your personal tax debts. The IRS has extraordinary collection powers that can often "pierce" business entities when the same person who owes taxes is involved. Your best bet would be a properly structured partnership where you own less than 50% and have legitimate partners with real equity stakes. The IRS can still potentially levy against your ownership interest, but they can't generally seize assets that legitimately belong to your business partners. If you're the sole or majority owner, they'll view the business assets as an extension of your personal assets. Consider bringing in genuine partners or investors with documented equity stakes if the business has real potential - this protects both the business and creates a legitimate separation that even the IRS must respect.

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Have you considered bankruptcy? Tax debts CAN sometimes be discharged in bankruptcy contrary to what most people think. If the taxes are more than 3 years old, you filed the returns more than 2 years ago, and the taxes were assessed more than 240 days ago, they might be eligible for discharge in Chapter 7. Even if they can't be discharged, Chapter 13 bankruptcy could force both the IRS and state into a reasonable payment plan based on what you can actually afford.

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This is actually not entirely accurate. While some taxes can be discharged in bankruptcy, there are strict requirements. Self-employment taxes specifically have additional complications because they include both income tax and what would normally be FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). The FICA portion is much harder to discharge. Also, filing fraudulent returns or willful evasion will prevent discharge regardless of timing. Given that OP deliberately chose not to pay the taxes to fund their business instead, a bankruptcy judge might view that as willful evasion.

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Ava Rodriguez

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I worked for a state tax agency for 8 years. Here's what's happening with your state tax bill: most states have much higher penalty and interest rates than the IRS, and many states (unlike the IRS) compound interest. This is why your state bill has grown more dramatically. For state taxes, I'd recommend requesting a penalty abatement first. Many states have first-time abatement programs similar to the IRS, and some even have hardship programs if you've been in difficult financial circumstances. Don't assume the 10-year rule applies to your state. Some states like California and Kentucky have much longer collection periods (20 years and unlimited, respectively). You need to check your specific state's rules.

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