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Former tax preparer here - just want to add that using Form 8919 is pretty straightforward, but make sure you keep good documentation of why you believe you were misclassified. The key factors for attorneys specifically are: - Did the firm control which clients you worked with? - Did they review and approve your work? - Did they set your hours or require you to work in their office? - Did they provide equipment, software, staff support? If most of these are "yes" then you were almost certainly an employee, not a contractor, regardless of the billable hour payment structure. I've seen many law firms incorrectly classify new associates to avoid payroll taxes.
Thanks for this specific breakdown! Yes to all of those questions - they assigned clients, partners reviewed everything before it went out, I had set office hours (9-6 generally), and they provided everything including legal research software and admin support. Sounds like Form 8919 is definitely the right approach here.
You're welcome! With all those factors, you're clearly describing an employee relationship, not an independent contractor situation. Form 8919 is absolutely the right approach. Just one more tip - in Section 3 of the form where it asks for the reason code, use code G since you received both a 1099 and W-2 from the same firm in the same year. This is a textbook example of when to use that code. And keep copies of any firm policies, emails about work requirements, etc. that demonstrate the control they had over your work, just in case questions come up later.
Has anyone used TurboTax to file Form 8919? I'm in a similar situation (web developer with both 1099 and W-2 from same company) and wondering if the software handles this correctly or if I need to go to a professional?
Yes, TurboTax does support Form 8919! I used it last year for this exact situation. When you enter your 1099-MISC, it will ask a series of questions about your working relationship with the payer. Answer those honestly, and if it determines you were misclassified, it will guide you to Form 8919 instead of Schedule C/SE. One tip though - make sure you're using at least TurboTax Deluxe. The free version doesn't support this form.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you might be able to contribute to a SEP IRA for 2023 if you have any self-employment income. The deadline for establishing and contributing to a SEP IRA is your tax filing deadline (including extensions), so potentially as late as October 15, 2024 for the 2023 tax year. The contribution limit is pretty generous too - up to 25% of your net self-employment income, with a maximum of $66,000 for 2023. Even a small side gig could let you shelter some income.
That's really interesting! I do have a small side business doing web design that brought in about $12,000 last year. Would I qualify for this SEP IRA option? And can I open one if I also have access to my employer's 401k from my main job?
Yes, you absolutely can set up a SEP IRA for your self-employment income, even while having access to an employer 401k! The two are independent of each other. The calculation gets a bit tricky though - it's not simply 25% of your gross $12,000. For self-employment income, you first need to deduct the self-employment tax deduction, then calculate 25% of that reduced amount. With $12,000 in net business income, you could probably contribute around $2,200-2,500 to a SEP IRA. That would directly reduce your taxable income for 2023 if you establish and fund the account before filing your taxes. Many brokerages like Vanguard, Fidelity, or Schwab offer SEP IRAs that you can open online pretty quickly.
Just one more option to consider - if you made any student loan payments in 2023, you might be able to claim the student loan interest deduction of up to $2,500. It's an "above the line" deduction so you don't need to itemize to claim it. Also, review your 2023 expenses for things like work-related educational expenses, moving expenses for active military, or health insurance premiums if you're self-employed. These are also above-the-line deductions that might help reduce your taxable income.
The work-related educational expenses deduction was suspended until 2025, so that's unfortunately not an option for 2023 taxes. The moving expense deduction is indeed only for active duty military now too. But good call on the self-employed health insurance premiums! If OP has self-employment income as mentioned above, they might be able to deduct health insurance premiums paid.
Former tax preparer here. For what it's worth, the transition from sole proprietor to LLC adds complexity that software might miss. The quotes you're getting sound high, but not unreasonable for multiple years of unfiled business returns. If you decide to DIY with software, at minimum consider paying for a one-hour consultation with a CPA to review your approach. Many will do this for $150-300 and it could save you thousands in missed deductions or penalties. One thing to consider: The IRS has been sending out automated CP59 notices for unfiled returns. If you get one of these, the timeline to respond gets much shorter.
Thank you for this insight. I hadn't considered doing just a consultation. Would that one hour really be enough to catch potential issues across multiple tax years including the business transition?
A one-hour consultation won't be comprehensive enough to catch everything across multiple years, but it would be enough time to identify major red flags in your approach and give you guidance on the areas where software typically fails for business returns. If you're going the DIY route, I'd actually recommend two consultations - one before you start to get a strategic approach, and one review after you've prepared the returns but before filing. The key is finding someone experienced with both the sole proprietor to LLC transition and back tax situations.
Have you looked into the IRS Fresh Start program? If you qualify, it might help reduce penalties. Don't ignore state taxes too - sometimes they have separate penalty structures.
The Fresh Start program isn't actually a specific program you apply for - it's a collection of different IRS initiatives that make it easier to resolve tax debt. The main components are expanded installment agreements, offers in compromise with more flexible terms, and tax lien procedures. For OP's situation with unfiled returns, the most relevant part would be penalty abatement options after filing the back returns. First-time penalty abatement is available to many taxpayers who haven't had previous issues.
22 One thing nobody's mentioned - if you have significant income flowing to these members, you should also look into whether you need to withhold state taxes for nonresident members. Some states require this and will hold the LLC responsible if not done properly. NY is particularly strict about this. We got hit with penalties because we didn't withhold for our NY-based member even though we filed all the correct returns. Worth checking into this aspect as well.
4 Is the withholding requirement based on where the LLC is registered or where the members live? If our LLC is registered in Delaware but we have a NY member, do we need to withhold NY taxes?
22 It's based on where income is sourced/where business is conducted, not where the LLC is registered. If your LLC is earning income attributable to NY (which can include having NY members performing services there), then yes, you may need to withhold NY taxes for non-NY members receiving that NY-sourced income. Delaware registration doesn't exempt you from other states' withholding requirements. Many LLCs register in Delaware for its favorable business laws but still have to deal with tax obligations in states where they actually operate or have members conducting business.
15 Just wanted to add - if your LLC is just holding investments and has no business operations, some states have different rules. Passive investment income sometimes gets different treatment than active business income. Some members in my investment LLC got surprised when their states (including NJ) required them to file nonresident returns even though our LLC was registered elsewhere. The investment income "followed" them to their home states.
9 This is a great point. Do you know if it matters what type of investments? Like if it's mostly interest income vs capital gains from stock trading?
Sean O'Brien
One strategy that's worked well for me in transitioning from high-income to wealth building is real estate investing through Delaware Statutory Trusts (DSTs). They're classified as 1031 exchange eligible, and when structured properly, can provide both significant tax deferral and decent cash flow. I was able to sell some highly appreciated property and instead of paying capital gains, rolled the proceeds into a DST. Now I get monthly distributions that have much more favorable tax treatment than my W-2 income due to depreciation pass-through. The key is finding DSTs with quality properties and experienced management. This approach has helped me gradually shift my tax profile from someone paying the highest marginal rates on earned income to someone building wealth through tax-advantaged structures.
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Zara Shah
ā¢I've heard about DSTs but don't really understand how they're different from REITs? Are there minimum investment requirements? My financial advisor never mentioned these as an option.
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Sean O'Brien
ā¢DSTs are fundamentally different from REITs in both structure and tax treatment. Unlike REITs which are securities, DSTs are considered direct ownership in real estate for tax purposes, which qualifies them for 1031 exchanges. This means you can defer capital gains taxes by rolling proceeds from property sales into DSTs. Minimums typically start around $100,000, which is higher than REITs, but that's because they're designed for accredited investors. The tax benefits are substantial - you'll receive K-1s showing your portion of depreciation, which often shelters a significant portion of the cash distributions from immediate taxation. Many financial advisors aren't familiar with them because they require specialized knowledge and typically don't fit into standard model portfolios. You'll want to work with someone who specializes in tax-advantaged real estate strategies for high-income professionals.
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Luca Bianchi
Has anyone here looked into Opportunity Zone investments? My tax attorney mentioned them as a way to defer capital gains taxes from some stock I sold last year. Apparently you can roll the gains into designated "opportunity zone" projects and defer taxes until 2026, plus eliminate taxes on any appreciation of the new investment if held for 10 years. Sounds too good to be true?
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GalacticGuardian
ā¢I've invested in two Opportunity Zone funds. They do work as advertised tax-wise but be extremely careful about the underlying investments. Many OZ areas are economically distressed for good reason, and some developers are creating poor investments that only make sense because of the tax benefits. The best approach is to find OZ investments that would make sense even without the tax advantages. I found a multi-family development in an emerging area just outside a major city that had strong fundamentals regardless of the OZ benefits. The tax deferral and eventual exclusion is just a bonus.
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Luca Bianchi
ā¢That's really helpful insight. I was looking at a fund that invests in multiple OZ projects to spread the risk, but you're right that I should be evaluating the underlying economics first. What documentation do you need for tax purposes? My accountant mentioned something about attaching an election statement to my return and filing Form 8997 annually, but I want to make sure I don't miss anything that could jeopardize the tax benefits.
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