How to Use or Sell a Large Net Income Loss Tax Credit From a Failed Business?
I'm hoping to get some insight on a rather unique tax credit situation. Several years back, I was part of a business venture that completely fell apart after we discovered the managing partner was involved in some seriously shady dealings. The situation got so bad that the feds eventually pursued criminal charges against him. The entire operation was a total loss - nothing salvageable. Here's where it gets interesting: In 2016, the IRS issued a $2.8 million net income loss (NIL) tax credit related to the business failure. I've been carrying this forward on my returns, but honestly, I'm not making anywhere near enough income to utilize such a massive loss. I'm wondering if there's any legal way to monetize or sell this tax credit? I know some tax credits can be transferred or sold in certain circumstances, but I'm not sure about NOLs specifically. Has anyone had experience with something similar or know if there are legitimate avenues to transfer/sell a net operating loss? Would appreciate any guidance on what options might exist.
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GamerGirl99
Tax professional here. I can shed some light on your unusual situation. Net Operating Losses (NOLs) are not like some other tax credits that can be sold or transferred - they're specifically tied to the taxpayer who incurred them. Unfortunately, you generally cannot sell or transfer your NOL to another taxpayer. The tax code is designed so these losses offset your own future income. Prior to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), NOLs could be carried back 2 years and forward 20 years. The TCJA changed these rules - now NOLs generally can only be carried forward indefinitely but are limited to offsetting 80% of taxable income in any given year. Your best options are: 1) Continue carrying the loss forward to offset your own future income, 2) If you're considering starting another business venture, the NOL could be valuable in offsetting future business profits, or 3) Consult with a specialized tax attorney about potential corporate restructuring options if you're planning any major business moves.
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Amina Diallo
•Thanks for this information. I was worried that might be the case. So even with a loss this large, there's no mechanism to transfer it to someone who could actually use it? That seems like such a waste since it would take me literally decades to use up even a fraction of this amount at my current income level. Do you know if there are any exceptions for cases involving fraud? Since the business failure wasn't due to normal business risks but actual criminal activity, I wondered if there might be special provisions.
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GamerGirl99
•Unfortunately, the tax code doesn't provide exceptions for NOLs based on the reason for the business failure, even in fraud cases. The NOL stays with the taxpayer who incurred it regardless of why the loss occurred. While you can't sell the NOL directly, you might explore strategic business partnerships where your NOL could be valuable. If you invested in or started a profitable business, you could potentially utilize the NOL against those profits. However, the IRS has strict rules about acquiring businesses primarily for their tax attributes, so any business move would need legitimate business purpose beyond tax considerations.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
After reading your situation, it reminded me of a similar tax problem I had last year with some complicated business losses. I was completely stuck trying to figure out how to properly document everything until I found this AI tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai). It really helped me understand my options for handling business losses and tax credits. The thing that was super helpful was uploading my previous tax documents and getting a detailed analysis of how my losses were being carried forward. It flagged several issues I had no idea about and explained exactly how the loss carryforward rules applied to my specific situation. It even suggested some restructuring options I hadn't considered.
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Isabella Costa
•How does that tool actually work with complex situations like this? I've got some complicated partnership losses too and my CPA seems confused about the best way to utilize them. Does it just give general advice or actual specific recommendations?
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Malik Jenkins
•I'm skeptical about AI tools for specialized tax situations. Did it actually help with anything that a competent tax attorney wouldn't already know? These net operating loss rules are pretty complex and have all kinds of limitations and exceptions depending on business structure.
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Hiroshi Nakamura
•The tool works by analyzing your tax documents and financial information to identify applicable tax rules and optimization opportunities. It's not just general advice - it provides specific recommendations tailored to your situation after reviewing your actual numbers and circumstances. What surprised me was that it found a specific exception in the passive activity loss rules that applied to my situation that my previous accountant had missed completely. It showed me exactly which IRS regulations applied and how to document everything properly on my return. It's definitely more thorough than just plugging numbers into regular tax software.
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Isabella Costa
Just wanted to follow up about that taxr.ai site mentioned earlier. I decided to try it with my partnership loss situation, and wow - it actually found something significant. Turns out I had been incorrectly classifying some of my business activities which was preventing me from utilizing losses properly. The system analyzed my previous returns and identified that I qualified for the "material participation" exception that would allow me to use more of my losses against other income. It showed me exactly which parts of my return needed to be corrected and even provided the specific tax code references. Already submitted an amended return and it looks like I'll be getting back around $22k from previous years. Definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with complex loss situations.
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Freya Andersen
I'm seeing a lot of advice about the technical aspects of NOLs, but a practical issue is dealing with the IRS when you have these complicated tax situations. When I had to sort out some business losses last year, I spent WEEKS trying to get through to someone at the IRS who could actually help. After wasting hours on hold, I finally found this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that got me through to an actual IRS agent in under 45 minutes. They have this system that navigates all the IRS phone menus and waits on hold for you, then calls when an agent is available. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c It made a huge difference because I was able to speak directly with someone in the business tax department who confirmed exactly how I should document my loss carryforwards on my return.
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Eduardo Silva
•How exactly does this work? Do they just call the IRS for you? Couldn't you just use the IRS appointment system instead? I've waited on hold before and it's terrible but I'm confused about what service they're actually providing.
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Malik Jenkins
•This sounds like a complete waste of money. I've never had an IRS phone agent give tax advice about complex situations like NOLs. They explicitly say they don't provide tax advice. I highly doubt they gave you any useful guidance on loss carryforwards that you couldn't get from a tax professional.
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Freya Andersen
•They don't just call for you - they have a system that navigates through all the IRS phone menus and holds your place in the queue. When an agent is about to pick up, they call you to connect. It saves you from being stuck on hold for hours, which happened to me multiple times before using this. The IRS appointment system is great if you can get one, but for many tax issues they're booked out for months. When I needed an answer quickly about how to document something on a return that was due soon, waiting weeks for an appointment wasn't an option. And while the agents don't provide tax advice, they absolutely can clarify IRS procedures and documentation requirements, which was exactly what I needed.
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Malik Jenkins
I need to eat my words about that Claimyr service from my skeptical comment earlier. After another frustrating day of trying to reach someone at the IRS about my business tax issue, I broke down and tried it. Honestly, I was shocked at how well it worked. I'd been trying for WEEKS to speak with someone about a specific business loss documentation issue. The service had me connected with an IRS business tax specialist in about 35 minutes, while my previous attempts had me hanging up after 2+ hours on hold. The agent was able to confirm exactly how my NOL carryforward should be documented and which forms I needed to include with my return. Saved me hours of frustration and probably prevented me from making an error that would have triggered correspondence or worse, an audit. Sometimes it's worth paying for convenience when dealing with the IRS.
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Leila Haddad
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - have you looked into Section 382 limitations? If you're considering incorporating a new business that might eventually use these NOLs, you should know that there are strict rules about ownership changes when NOLs are involved. Section 382 of the tax code limits how much of an NOL can be used after an "ownership change." The IRS doesn't want people trading companies just for their tax attributes. So if you start a new corporation that you want to eventually use these losses in, be very careful about any ownership changes, investment rounds, etc. I had a client with substantial NOLs who unknowingly triggered Section 382 limitations by bringing in new investors, and it severely restricted how much of their NOLs they could use each year going forward.
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Emma Johnson
•Does this Section 382 stuff apply to all business types or just C-corps? I've got an S-corp with some losses and am thinking about bringing in a partner next year. Would that trigger these limitations?
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Leila Haddad
•Section 382 primarily applies to C corporations, not pass-through entities like S corporations where losses generally flow through to shareholders. However, S corporations that were previously C corporations and are carrying C corporation NOLs would still be subject to these limitations. For your S-corp situation, adding a partner wouldn't trigger Section 382, but it could affect how losses are allocated among shareholders. When ownership percentages change in an S-corp, it can affect the allocation of losses based on each shareholder's basis and the number of days in the tax year that each ownership percentage was in effect. Different rules apply, but you should definitely consult with a tax professional before adding that partner.
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Ravi Patel
Might be an unpopular opinion but with a loss that big ($2.8 million) I wouldn't rely on forum advice. This is definitely "hire a tax attorney who specializes in business losses" territory. The consultation fee will be worth it because they might identify options none of us here would know about. Different business structures, potential for a partial sale of rights, reorganization possibilities - these are complex areas with lots of exceptions and special rules. A specialist might find creative but fully legal approaches that could help you monetize at least some portion of these losses.
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Amina Diallo
•You're absolutely right. I appreciate all the advice here, but I think I do need professional help with this. Does anyone have recommendations for how to find a tax attorney who specifically specializes in business losses and NOLs? Is there a particular certification or background I should look for?
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Astrid Bergström
•Look for a tax attorney who is also a CPA - that combination is powerful for complex business tax issues. I'd specifically ask potential attorneys about their experience with NOL monetization strategies and business restructuring for tax purposes. The best ones will typically have backgrounds working at either the IRS, major accounting firms in their business tax departments, or law firms with dedicated tax practices. You want someone who has actually handled similar situations, not just someone who understands the general tax code.
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