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Javier Morales

Can self-employed individuals claim a Net Operating Loss like businesses do?

I've been working as a freelance graphic designer for the past few years and had a really rough time financially in 2024. My business expenses ended up being way more than what I brought in (expensive new design software, a fancy computer that I need for 3D rendering, office space rental, etc.). I know that businesses can file for a Net Operating Loss (NOL) when their deductions exceed their gross income. My accountant friend mentioned something about this, but wasn't sure if it applies to individuals who are self-employed like me. I understand the capital loss deduction is limited to $3,000 per year, but is there something similar for regular business losses for individuals? Can I as an individual actually claim a Net Operating Loss? Or is this strictly for corporations? I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to carry some of these losses forward to offset what will hopefully be a better income year in 2025.

Yes, individuals who are self-employed or have business activities can absolutely have a Net Operating Loss (NOL)! As a sole proprietor, your business income and expenses are reported on Schedule C, and those business losses can contribute to an overall NOL on your personal tax return. The basic concept is similar to business NOLs - it happens when your total deductions exceed your total income. For individuals, this means the sum of all your income sources (wages, self-employment, investments, etc.) is less than your allowable deductions. The NOL calculation for individuals is a bit different though, as certain deductions like standard/itemized deductions and personal exemptions aren't included when figuring your NOL. Under current tax rules, you can carry your NOL forward indefinitely (though limited to 80% of taxable income in any future year). The previous option to carry back NOLs has been mostly eliminated except for farming losses and certain disaster losses.

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Thanks for the info! So if I understand correctly, if I have a regular W-2 job that pays me $50k but my side business loses $70k, I could have a $20k NOL to carry forward? Also, do I need to file any special forms to claim this?

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That's generally the right idea, but the actual calculation is a bit more nuanced. In your example with $50k W-2 income and $70k business loss, you would potentially have an NOL, but you'd need to make certain adjustments first. Not all personal deductions count toward creating an NOL. To claim an NOL, you'll need to fill out Form 1045 Schedule A to calculate the loss, and then you'll report the carryforward on Form 1040 in subsequent years. I'd recommend using tax software that handles NOLs or consulting with a tax professional since the calculations can get complicated.

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Does it work for someone who has both W-2 income and a side business with losses? My tax situation is complicated because I have a day job but my photography business lost about $15k last year.

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I'm skeptical about these online tools... How does it actually know which expenses qualify better than regular tax software? Turbo Tax already asks me all these questions.

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Yes, it absolutely works for mixed income situations with both W-2 and self-employment. It specifically helps identify which losses from your photography business can contribute to an NOL versus which ones might be limited or disallowed, especially if you're close to the line between hobby and business. The difference from regular tax software is it specializes in analyzing documents and transcripts rather than just asking generic questions. It spotted items in my records that could be reclassified more favorably and identified deductions my regular software missed because I didn't know to look for them. Unlike TurboTax, it doesn't just process what you input – it actively examines your documents for optimization opportunities.

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Wait, how does this actually work? Do they have some secret phone number to the IRS or something? I've literally spent 4+ hours on hold multiple times.

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This sounds like a scam. Nobody can get through to the IRS faster than anyone else. They're probably just charging you for information you could get for free online.

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They use technology that monitors the IRS phone lines and calls you when you're next in line. It's not a secret number - they're basically waiting on hold for you, and their system alerts you when an agent is about to pick up. Then you take the call. No, it's definitely not a scam. They don't provide tax advice or information - they literally just connect you to the actual IRS agents. I spoke directly with an IRS employee who looked up my specific tax account and provided official guidance on my NOL situation. The service just eliminated the 3+ hour hold time that I normally would have waited through.

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Something important to remember about NOLs for individuals: if your losses come from activities that could be classified as a hobby rather than a business, you might not qualify for an NOL. The IRS has a "hobby loss rule" where you need to show profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years (or 2 out of 7 for horse-related activities) to be presumed a business. If you can't meet this, you need other evidence that you're running the activity with a profit motive. Otherwise, the losses won't be deductible against your other income and can't create an NOL.

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How do you prove "profit motive" if you've been losing money? My art business hasn't been profitable yet but I'm definitely trying to make money!

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The IRS looks at several factors beyond just profitability. Keep detailed business records showing your efforts to make the activity profitable - marketing efforts, business plans, expertise in the field, time invested, etc. Document how you're adapting your business practices to improve profitability, like adjusting pricing, finding new markets, or reducing expenses. Even showing that you consult with business advisors or take classes to improve your skills can help demonstrate you're treating it as a business rather than a hobby. The key is showing you're making business decisions aimed at eventually generating profit, even if you haven't succeeded yet.

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Kinda related question but has anyone actually successfully carried forward an NOL on their taxes using TurboTax? I tried last year and the software kept getting confused about my carryforward amount.

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I did it with H&R Block software and it worked fine. They have a specific interview section for NOL carryforwards. You need to enter the original loss year and amount. TurboTax should have something similar but you might need the premium/business version.

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Just wanted to add something that might help others in similar situations - make sure you understand the difference between business losses and capital losses when calculating your NOL. As a freelance graphic designer myself, I made the mistake of mixing up equipment depreciation with direct capital losses in my first year. Your expensive computer and design software should typically be depreciated over several years (or you might qualify for Section 179 expensing), but this is different from capital asset sales that are subject to the $3,000 annual limit you mentioned. For your NOL calculation, focus on your Schedule C business income/losses rather than capital gains/losses. The business losses from your design work, office rent, and legitimate business expenses can contribute to an NOL, but make sure you're categorizing everything correctly. I learned this the hard way when I had to file an amended return! Also keep excellent records of everything - client contracts, invoices, business bank statements, receipts. The IRS tends to scrutinize creative businesses more closely, so documentation is key if you ever get audited.

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This is really helpful advice about keeping business and capital losses separate! I'm new to freelancing and had no idea about the depreciation vs. direct expensing difference. Quick question - you mentioned Section 179 expensing as an option for equipment. Is there a limit on how much you can expense in one year versus depreciating it? I'm trying to figure out the best approach for a $5,000 computer setup I bought for my freelance work. Would it be better to take the full deduction this year (if possible) or spread it out through depreciation? Also, any specific tips on what kind of documentation the IRS looks for with creative businesses? I've been pretty casual about record-keeping so far but sounds like I need to step up my game.

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