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I'm dealing with the exact same frustrating situation! Filed my amended return back in May and it's been showing "completed" since October, but I have absolutely no clue if I'm actually getting a refund or not. That generic message about "resulting in a refund, balance due, or no tax change" is so unhelpful - like thanks IRS, that really narrows it down š Reading through all these comments, it sounds like calling that 800-829-0582 ext 633 number is really the only way to get a straight answer. I've been avoiding it because I hate being on hold forever, but clearly there's no way around it if I want to know what's actually happening with my money. Those transcript codes might as well be written in ancient Greek for all the sense they make to regular people like us. It's ridiculous that they make this process so confusing when it's literally our own tax information! Going to try calling tomorrow morning around 7am like some of you suggested - hopefully I'll finally get some answers after months of wondering. Thanks for all the advice everyone, it's reassuring to know I'm not the only one struggling with this!
I'm in the exact same boat! Filed my amended return in April and it's been showing "completed" since September but I'm still totally in the dark about whether I'm getting money back. That vague "refund, balance due, or no tax change" message is the most unhelpful thing ever - like just tell us which one it is! I keep putting off calling too because who wants to sit on hold for an hour, but everyone here is saying it's literally the only way to get answers. Guess we're both going to have to bite the bullet and make that dreaded phone call. At least now I know to call at 7am sharp for better wait times! Maybe we'll both get lucky and actually talk to helpful reps who can explain what's going on with our returns š¤
I totally feel your frustration! I went through this exact same thing with my 2022 amended return earlier this year. That "completed" status is so misleading because it just means they finished processing it, but tells you absolutely nothing about the actual outcome. I was in the same boat for months - filed my amended return in March, it showed "completed" since July, but I had no idea if I was getting a refund or owed more money. That generic message about "resulting in a refund, balance due, or no tax change" is basically them saying "we know the answer but we're not telling you" š I finally called that 800-829-0582 ext 633 number after putting it off forever because I dreaded the hold time. Ended up waiting about 45 minutes, but the rep was super helpful and could see everything immediately on my account. Turns out I was getting a $923 refund and it was direct deposited about 2 weeks later! My advice: call first thing in the morning (7am sharp) for shorter wait times, and have your amended return, SSN, and original return ready. Don't stress about trying to decode those transcript codes - they're designed for tax professionals, not us regular folks. It's annoying that this is the only way to get answers, but at least once you call you'll finally know what's going on with your refund! Good luck! š¤
This is super encouraging to hear! I've been in limbo for what feels like forever and was starting to worry that something went wrong with my amended return. Your experience gives me hope that when I finally make that call, I'll get some actual answers instead of more confusing bureaucratic non-answers. $923 is a nice surprise too! I'm definitely going to follow your advice and call right at 7am tomorrow - might as well get it over with and finally know one way or the other. Thanks for sharing your story, it really helps to know this process eventually works out! š
This has been such a comprehensive and helpful thread! I wanted to add one more potential source that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you've ever worked with or consulted for any accounting firms, bookkeeping services, or other tax professionals, check any contractor agreements or W-9 forms you might have on file. When I did some freelance work for a larger CPA firm a few years back, they required me to provide my PTIN on the contractor paperwork since I was doing tax preparation work under their supervision. I completely forgot about this until I was cleaning out old files and found the paperwork with my PTIN clearly listed in the credentials section. Also, if you've ever had to provide professional references for anything (job applications, professional memberships, etc.), you might have sent your credentials to references who could still have that information. I once provided my PTIN to a former supervisor who was serving as a reference, and when I reached out to them recently about something unrelated, they mentioned they still had all my credential information in their files. The collective wisdom in this thread is amazing - between all these suggestions, it seems like there are dozens of places to check before having to navigate the IRS phone system. Really appreciate how this community comes together to solve these practical challenges that we all face!
This entire thread has been absolutely incredible! As someone who's relatively new to the tax preparation field, I'm honestly amazed at how many different places our PTIN information can end up being stored. Reading through everyone's suggestions has been like getting a masterclass in professional credential management. The contractor agreement angle you just mentioned is really smart - I did some part-time work for a local accounting office when I was first getting started, and you're absolutely right that they would have needed my PTIN for their records. I should definitely check those old employment files. What really strikes me about this whole discussion is how it highlights the importance of keeping better track of our professional information from the start. Between tax software accounts, professional memberships, insurance applications, state registrations, client files, and all these other places everyone has mentioned, our credentials really do get scattered everywhere over the years. I'm definitely going to create a secure credential tracking system after reading this - maybe a password-protected document or spreadsheet where I record not just the PTIN itself, but also everywhere I've used it. That way if I ever run into this problem in the future, I'll have a roadmap of places to check. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion - the collective problem-solving here has been phenomenal and will undoubtedly help many other tax professionals who find themselves in similar situations!
This thread is absolutely fantastic - reading through all these suggestions has been incredibly educational! As someone who just recently started preparing taxes professionally, I had no idea there were so many places where PTIN information gets stored over time. I wanted to add one more potential resource that might help others in similar situations: if you've ever submitted continuing education transcripts to any state boards or regulatory agencies, your PTIN might be included on those submissions. Many states require annual CE reporting for various professional licenses, and if you've cross-reported any tax-related education hours, your PTIN could be on file with those agencies. Also, for anyone who uses cloud storage services like Dropbox, Google Drive, or OneDrive for their business documents, try searching within those platforms for "PTIN" or your social security number. I've found that many of us end up storing scanned copies of important forms and correspondence in cloud storage, and the search functionality might turn up documents we've forgotten about. The collaborative problem-solving in this community is really impressive - between the original suggestions about the IRS self-service portal and all these creative alternatives everyone has shared, there are truly dozens of options to try before having to deal with phone support. This is exactly the kind of practical, real-world advice that makes such a difference during busy season. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and solutions!
I've been investing in MLPs for about 5 years now and here's my practical approach to the state tax issue: 1) I only file state returns where my allocated income from the MLP exceeds $500. This is technically not compliant with every state's rules, but it's a reasonable threshold where the tax liability becomes meaningful enough to justify filing. 2) For states with small allocations, I maintain records in case of audit but don't file. So far, no issues. 3) For MLPs in IRAs, I specifically choose ones with historically low UBTI to avoid triggering the $1,000 threshold. Enterprise Products Partners (EPD) has been good for this. 4) I keep detailed basis records for return of capital distributions, as these will eventually matter when I sell. Not saying this is the "correct" approach legally, but it's worked for me as a practical compromise between full compliance and sanity.
Which tax software do you use that can handle the multiple state filings for MLPs? I tried using TurboTax last year and it was a nightmare.
I actually use a combination of H&R Block Premium for my home state and federal returns, then I use individual state's web filing systems for the few out-of-state returns I need to submit. Most tax software struggles with the complexity of MLP state allocations. For tracking basis adjustments from return of capital distributions, I maintain my own spreadsheet since no tax software I've found does this well across multiple years. It's not ideal, but it gives me more control and understanding of my tax situation than relying entirely on software that might not handle these edge cases correctly.
For anyone considering MLPs, please know that while the tax complexity is real, it's manageable if you approach it systematically. A few tips from my experience: 1. Request the "investor tax package" from each MLP you own - most provide detailed state-by-state breakdowns of your allocations 2. Focus on your home state plus any states with significant operations by your MLPs 3. Keep excellent records of your basis adjustments from return of capital distributions 4. Consider using an accountant experienced with MLP investments rather than DIY software 5. For small investments, ETFs that hold MLPs like AMLP might be more tax-efficient as they issue 1099s instead of K-1s
This is a complex situation that definitely requires careful handling. Based on what others have shared, here are a few additional points to consider: **Documentation is key**: Make sure you keep every piece of paperwork from the raffle organization, including any materials that describe how they determined the $62,500 value. This could be important if you need to dispute the valuation later. **Consider the timing of your sale**: Since you're selling immediately, you might want to get multiple purchase offers to document that $59,000 is indeed the fair market value. Having 2-3 offers around the same price range could strengthen your position. **Don't forget about self-employment tax**: Depending on how the IRS classifies this income, you might also be liable for self-employment taxes on top of regular income tax. This is less common with prize winnings, but worth confirming with a professional. **State registration considerations**: Even though you're in Texas with no state income tax, you'll still need to consider vehicle registration and title transfer costs. These aren't deductible but are real expenses that eat into your proceeds. The advice about setting aside 35% seems prudent given all the potential tax implications. Better to overestimate and have money left over than scramble to find additional funds at tax time. Good luck with this situation - winning should be exciting, not stressful!
Great point about getting multiple purchase offers! I hadn't thought about that but it makes total sense to document the actual market value with several offers. That could really help if I need to justify the difference between the stated $62,500 and what I can actually get for it. The self-employment tax angle is interesting - I definitely need to ask about that when I find a tax professional. That could add another 15% or so on top of everything else, which would be brutal. One question about the documentation - should I also document the condition of the car when I received it? It's brand new so probably not an issue, but I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases. Also, do you think it matters that I'm selling to a private buyer versus a dealer? Would one look better to the IRS than the other in terms of establishing fair market value?
Documenting the car's condition is absolutely smart - take photos showing it's new/unused condition when you received it. This supports that you're not trying to hide any depreciation or damage that might affect value. Regarding private buyer vs dealer - a private sale actually might look more legitimate for establishing market value since dealers typically offer below retail. Private party sales usually reflect true market value better than trade-in values. Just make sure you have a proper bill of sale with all the buyer's information. One more tip: if you're getting multiple offers, try to get them in writing (even just texts or emails) and from different types of buyers - maybe one dealer, one private party, one from CarMax or similar. This shows you did due diligence in establishing what the car is actually worth in the current market, not just what the charity claimed it was worth. The documentation you're building could be really valuable if the IRS questions the valuation discrepancy. You want to show you acted reasonably and in good faith to determine actual market value.
I've been following this thread and there's some really solid advice here, but I want to add a few practical considerations that might help: **Get everything in writing from the raffle organizers**: Before you do anything, ask them for a detailed breakdown of how they arrived at the $62,500 valuation. Was it MSRP, dealer invoice, or actual market research? This documentation could be crucial if you need to challenge the amount later. **Consider the timing of your quarterly payments**: Since you won recently, your first estimated payment would likely be due January 15th for Q4 2024. But given the size of this income, you might want to make a payment sooner to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally expects payments within the quarter you receive the income. **Don't overlook AMT implications**: With a sudden $62,500 income spike, you might trigger Alternative Minimum Tax calculations. This is another reason why professional help is worth the cost - AMT can add unexpected complexity to your tax situation. **Document EVERYTHING**: Keep records of all costs associated with this situation - appraisal fees, tax preparation costs, even storage or insurance costs while you arrange the sale. While most won't be deductible, having detailed records shows you're handling this professionally. The 35% cash reserve recommendation is spot-on. This situation has enough moving parts that professional guidance isn't just helpful - it's essential for protecting yourself from costly mistakes.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The quarterly payment timing is something I was really unclear on - I'll definitely look into making a payment sooner rather than waiting until January. The last thing I want is to get hit with penalties on top of everything else. The AMT angle is something I hadn't even considered. Between my regular income and this $62,500 windfall, I could definitely see that becoming an issue. That alone makes professional help seem worth it. Your point about getting the valuation breakdown from the raffle organizers is brilliant. I'm going to call them tomorrow and ask for detailed documentation of how they determined that $62,500 figure. If it's just MSRP and the actual market value is lower, that could save me thousands. One follow-up question - when you mention documenting storage/insurance costs, are you thinking these might be deductible as expenses related to disposing of the prize? Or just for record-keeping purposes in case the IRS has questions about the timeline? Thanks again for all the detailed advice. This thread has been incredibly educational and definitely convinced me that professional help is the way to go!
Jamal Harris
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is quarterly estimated tax payments. Since you're generating $13,500 in business income and will owe both income tax and self-employment tax on this, you might need to make quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally expects you to pay taxes as you earn income, not just when you file your annual return. If you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file, you should be making quarterly payments. For 2024, the deadlines are April 15, June 17, September 16, and January 15, 2025. You can calculate your estimated payments using Form 1040ES. Don't forget that self-employment tax is 15.3% on top of your regular income tax rate, so the total tax burden can be higher than people expect when they're used to just W-2 income. Setting aside about 25-30% of your cash sales in a separate savings account for taxes is a good rule of thumb. This way you won't be scrambling to come up with the money when quarterly payments are due or at tax time.
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Carmella Fromis
ā¢This is really important advice that I wish I had known when I first started my side business! I learned about quarterly payments the hard way when I got hit with a penalty for underpayment even though I paid everything when I filed my return. One thing to add - if this is your first year with significant self-employment income, you might be able to use the "safe harbor" rule where you just pay 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150,000) to avoid penalties, even if you end up owing more when you file. Also, don't forget that you can pay estimated taxes online through EFTPS or even by phone if you need to make a last-minute payment before a deadline. I keep reminders in my calendar for each quarterly due date so I don't forget!
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Giovanni Rossi
Another thing to consider is keeping a detailed log of your vintage clothing sales beyond just the money order deposits. Since you're selling at local markets, I'd recommend tracking which items you sold, what you paid for them originally (if you can remember/document), and any related expenses like booth fees, gas to get to markets, etc. The IRS likes to see that you're treating this as a legitimate business if you're claiming it as such. Having organized records showing your cost of goods sold, business mileage, and other expenses will help establish that this isn't just a hobby. Plus, these deductions can significantly reduce your taxable income. I'd also suggest taking photos of your inventory and keeping receipts for any clothing purchases you make specifically for resale. If you're sourcing from thrift stores, estate sales, or other places, those purchase receipts become your cost basis for calculating actual profit on each item sold. The money order deposits are just one piece of the puzzle - the real work is in documenting the entire business operation properly. Good luck with your vintage clothing business!
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Ava Garcia
ā¢This is excellent advice about documenting the entire business operation! I'm just getting started with my own small business selling handmade items and hadn't thought about taking photos of inventory or keeping such detailed records of sourcing costs. One question - when you mention tracking what you originally paid for items, how do you handle situations where you bought things in bulk lots or at estate sales where you might have paid one price for a whole box of mixed items? Do you just estimate the cost basis for individual pieces, or is there a more systematic way to allocate those costs? Also, for someone just starting out like me, would you recommend setting up a separate business bank account right away, or is it okay to use personal accounts initially as long as you keep good records? I'm trying to balance doing things properly with not overcomplicating things while the income is still relatively small.
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