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Yuki Nakamura

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Has anyone had issues with their employer FSA administrator not processing reimbursements quickly? My daycare costs are due at the beginning of the month, but my FSA takes 3-4 weeks to reimburse me, creating a cash flow problem.

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StarSurfer

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Same problem! What worked for me was asking my daycare if they offer a discount for paying multiple months upfront. I paid January-March in December (using the previous year's FSA funds that I hadn't used up yet), then started the regular monthly payments with April. That gave me enough buffer to deal with the reimbursement lag.

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Ravi Kapoor

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This is such a common confusion point! I went through the same thing last year and here's what I learned from my CPA: The key thing to remember is that you CAN use both benefits, but you cannot claim the same expenses twice. So with your $21,000 in childcare costs: 1. Use your $5,000 FSA first (this saves you taxes on that $5,000 based on your tax bracket) 2. You have $16,000 remaining expenses 3. For 2025, you can claim up to $3,000 of those remaining expenses for the Child and Dependent Care Credit (since you have one child) 4. The credit percentage depends on your AGI - it ranges from 20% to 35% So you'd get the tax savings from the FSA PLUS a credit of 20-35% on up to $3,000 of additional expenses. This is definitely not double dipping - it's exactly how the system is designed to work. One tip: make sure you keep detailed records of all your childcare payments and your provider's tax ID number. You'll need this for Form 2441 when you file. Also, some states have their own childcare credits that might stack on top of these federal benefits, so it's worth checking your state's rules too.

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This is really helpful! I'm new to navigating childcare tax benefits and this breakdown makes it much clearer. One question - you mentioned that some states have their own childcare credits that can stack on top of federal benefits. Do you know if there's an easy way to find out what my state offers? I'm in California and want to make sure I'm not missing out on any additional savings when I'm planning for 2025.

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StarSailor

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Filed with H&R Block on January 31st and still waiting here too. Starting to think this year is just different across the board. I've been checking my transcript weekly and finally saw some movement - got a 971 notice code last Friday but still no 846 deposit date. From what I'm reading here, it sounds like the IRS is just swamped this year regardless of which tax prep service people used. The fact that even CPA-filed returns are taking longer than usual tells me this isn't an H&R Block-specific problem. Really appreciate everyone sharing their timelines and experiences - helps me feel less like I'm the only one stuck in limbo!

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Amara Okafor

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The 971 notice code is actually a good sign - it means the IRS has issued a notice but your return is still processing normally. I got the same code about a week before my 846 (refund issued) appeared on my transcript. Based on what others have shared here, you should see movement within the next week or two. The consistency of delays across different tax prep services really does confirm this is an IRS capacity issue rather than any specific software problem. Hang in there!

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Aria Park

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Filed with H&R Block on January 26th and finally got my refund deposited yesterday (March 6th) - so about 38 days total. My return included CTC and a small amount of self-employment income, which I think put me in the "complex" category that's taking longer this year. What's frustrating is that the WMR tool never updated beyond "processing" even after my transcript showed the 846 code. For anyone still waiting, definitely check your transcript directly rather than relying on WMR - it's much more accurate. Based on all the experiences shared here, it really seems like 2024 processing is just slower overall regardless of prep method. The silver lining is that once the IRS actually processes your return, the deposit happens quickly.

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Carmen Diaz

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38 days is brutal but at least you finally got it! I'm on day 35 with H&R Block and have CTC too, so your timeline gives me hope that I'm close. You're absolutely right about the transcript being way more reliable than WMR - that tool seems pretty useless this year. Thanks for sharing the actual timeframe, it helps manage expectations when the IRS says "21 days" but reality is clearly much different right now.

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IRS Transcript Update: Codes 767, 290, 971 After Amended Return - Will I Get My $6,595 Refund Soon?

My transcript just updated today and I see codes 767, 290, and 971. First time seeing these codes and don't know if this is good news or not. Really need this refund and getting anxious about what these mean. I've never seen these codes before so I'm going to copy my entire transcript below to see if anyone can help me understand what's happening: ACCOUNT BALANCE: -6,595.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: 0.00 AS OF: Dec. 17, 2024 ACCRUED PENALTY: 0.00 AS OF: Dec. 17, 2024 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount) -6,595.00 INFORMATION FROM THE RETURN OR AS ADJUSTED EXEMPTIONS: 02 FILING STATUS: Head of Household ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME: 15,434.00 TAXABLE INCOME: 0.00 TAX PER RETURN: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME TAXPAYER: 0.00 SE TAXABLE INCOME SPOUSE: 0.00 TOTAL SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX: 0.00 RETURN DUE DATE OR RETURN RECEIVED DATE (WHICHEVER IS LATER) Apr. 15, 2024 PROCESSING DATE May 06, 2024 TRANSACTIONS CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION CYCLE DATE AMOUNT 150 Tax return filed 20241605 05-06-2024 $0.00 70211-430-73439-4 810 Refund freeze 02-09-2024 $0.00 766 Credit to your account 04-16-2024 -$2,600.00 766 Credit to your account 04-16-2024 -$9,095.00 768 Earned income credit 04-16-2024 -$4,995.00 971 Amended tax return or claim 05-11-2024 $0.00 forwarded for processing 977 Amended return filed 05-11-2024 $0.00 43277-534-68440-4 767 Reduced or removed credit to your 04-16-2024 $9,095.00 account 290 Additional tax assessed 20244804 12-17-2024 $0.00 71254-731-05739-4 971 Notice issued 12-17-2024 $0.00 I see that I had credits of $2,600, $9,095, and earned income credit of $4,995 back in April. Then there's code 767 showing "Reduced or removed credit" for $9,095, which looks like they took back one of my credits. I also filed an amended return in May (codes 971 and 977). Now today (Dec 17), I'm seeing these new codes - 290 for "Additional tax assessed" (but with $0.00 amount) and another 971 for "Notice issued". My account balance shows -$6,595.00 which I assume means they owe me that amount? What does all this mean? Is my refund coming soon? Should I be worried about the 767 code that took away some of my credit? And what notice are they sending me (971 code)? Getting really anxious since I really need this money.

Justin Evans

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As someone new to understanding IRS transcripts, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm still learning how to read these codes, but from what everyone's explained, it sounds like your -$6,595 balance is actually great news - that's what they owe you! The way multiple people broke down how the 767 code was just correcting an error from your amended return rather than taking away money you deserved really helped me understand the process. I've been intimidated by my own transcript codes, but seeing this community explain everything so clearly gives me confidence that these systems, while confusing, do eventually work out. Hope you see that direct deposit soon! šŸ™

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LunarEclipse

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I'm also new to reading transcripts and this whole thread has been like a masterclass! It's really encouraging to see how this community breaks down these confusing codes for newcomers like us. The consistent explanation that negative account balances are actually good news (refunds owed to us) has been super helpful to understand. I was intimidated by all the numbers and codes when I first got my transcript, but seeing everyone walk through the math step by step makes it so much less scary. Really grateful for communities like this that help people navigate the IRS system! šŸ™

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Donna Cline

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As a newcomer to this community and someone still learning to decode IRS transcripts, this thread has been absolutely invaluable! I'm pretty new to understanding these codes, but from what I've gathered from everyone's detailed explanations, your situation looks really promising. The consistent message that a negative account balance like -$6,595 actually means the IRS owes YOU that money was a huge revelation for me - I would have assumed the opposite! I've been struggling with my own transcript codes and feeling overwhelmed by all the numbers, but seeing how this community breaks everything down step by step makes it so much less intimidating. The way multiple people explained that the 767 code was just an error correction from your amended return rather than them taking away money you deserved really helped me understand how the process works. It's frustrating how the IRS makes these codes so cryptic when they could just use plain English, but having knowledgeable community members like everyone here makes such a difference for those of us still learning. Hope you see that direct deposit hit your account soon! šŸ™

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Another option worth exploring is equipment financing specifically - many lenders offer competitive rates for business equipment purchases, and you can often finance 80-100% of the equipment cost with the equipment itself as collateral. This keeps your retirement funds intact while still getting the equipment you need. I'd also suggest running the numbers on tax-adjusted returns. That 300% return over 8-10 years might look different when you factor in the immediate tax hit from the withdrawal (potentially 22-32% depending on your bracket) plus the 10% penalty if you're under 59½. Don't forget to account for lost compound growth on those retirement funds over the same period. If you do decide to proceed with the withdrawal, consider timing it strategically - maybe split it across two tax years to avoid bumping into a higher bracket, or coordinate with other business expenses to maximize your deductions in the withdrawal year.

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This is really solid advice about equipment financing - I hadn't fully considered how the compound growth loss on retirement funds factors into the equation. When you mention splitting the withdrawal across two tax years, do you know if there are any restrictions on doing that? Like, would I need to purchase the equipment in phases to justify the split withdrawal, or can I take partial distributions in December and January for a single equipment purchase? I want to make sure I'm not creating any red flags with the IRS if I go this route.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Great question about splitting withdrawals across tax years! There's no requirement to purchase equipment in phases to justify split withdrawals - you can take distributions in different tax years for a single purchase as long as you can document the business purpose. However, timing is crucial for tax planning. If you withdraw in December 2024 and January 2025, both amounts would need to be reported as income in their respective tax years. The equipment purchase and resulting Section 179 deduction would typically go on the tax return for the year you actually bought and placed the equipment in service. So if you buy in January 2025, that deduction would offset your 2025 income, not the 2024 withdrawal. To maximize the strategy, you might consider: 1) Taking the first withdrawal late in 2024 and making a partial equipment purchase then, 2) Taking the second withdrawal and completing the purchase early in 2025. This way each withdrawal has corresponding business deductions in the same tax year. Just make sure to keep detailed records showing the business necessity and timing of both withdrawals and purchases. The IRS doesn't typically flag this approach as long as there's legitimate business documentation.

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Lucas Turner

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now, though mine involves about $15k for manufacturing equipment. One thing I learned from talking to my accountant is that you might want to look into the timing of when you "place the equipment in service" versus when you make the withdrawal. If you withdraw the funds in December 2024 but don't purchase and start using the equipment until January 2025, you'll pay taxes on the withdrawal income in 2024 but can't claim the Section 179 deduction until 2025. This could put you in a higher tax bracket for 2024 with no offsetting deduction. Also, don't forget about state taxes if you're in a state with income tax - that adds another layer to the withdrawal cost that equipment depreciation might not fully offset. Have you calculated what the actual after-tax cost of the withdrawal would be versus a business loan? When I ran my numbers, even at 8% interest for equipment financing, I came out ahead compared to the combined federal tax, state tax, and 10% penalty hit from early retirement withdrawal. The math gets even more favorable for financing when you consider that loan interest is deductible as a business expense, so you're effectively getting a discount on the interest rate equal to your marginal tax rate.

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This is really helpful - the timing aspect between withdrawal and equipment placement is something I definitely need to consider more carefully. I hadn't thought about how splitting those across tax years could actually hurt rather than help. Your point about running the actual numbers is spot on. I've been so focused on the projected equipment returns that I haven't done a detailed comparison of the true cost of early withdrawal (taxes + penalties + lost compound growth) versus equipment financing costs after factoring in the interest deduction. Do you mind sharing what interest rate you were quoted for equipment financing? I'm curious if rates vary significantly by industry or equipment type. For my situation, even if I could get financing at 9-10%, it might still be better than the retirement withdrawal route when I factor in all the tax implications you mentioned. Also, did your accountant give you any guidance on documentation requirements if you do go the withdrawal route? I want to make sure I'm not creating audit risks by mixing retirement and business funds.

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Has anyone else noticed that a lot of accountants seem confused about S corp basis calculations? I've had three different CPAs give me three different answers about how to handle distributions when we've had prior losses.

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Kara Yoshida

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In my experience, many CPAs who don't specialize in small business taxation struggle with the nuances of S corp basis tracking. It's actually pretty complex, especially when you factor in debt basis, suspended losses, multiple classes of stock, etc. I ended up finding a CPA who primarily works with S corps and partnerships, and the difference in knowledge was night and day.

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I'd definitely recommend getting a second opinion on this. Based on what you've described, it sounds like your tax preparer might be misunderstanding something about your situation. The key issue is tracking your basis correctly. Your basis in the S corp stock starts with your initial investment, gets reduced by your share of losses, gets reduced by distributions you receive, and gets increased by additional capital contributions or your share of income. If you made additional capital contributions during 2024 (like the $75K you mentioned in another comment), those should increase your basis and likely eliminate any capital gains treatment on your distributions. Make sure your tax preparer has accounted for all capital contributions, not just your original investment. Also, if you've made any loans to the S corp (even informal ones where you paid business expenses out of pocket), those create "debt basis" which can help absorb losses and avoid capital gains on distributions. I'd suggest asking your tax preparer to show you the specific basis calculation they're using. They should be able to walk through: starting basis + capital contributions + income - losses - distributions = ending basis. If that number goes negative, only the negative portion would be capital gains. Don't just accept their conclusion without understanding the math behind it - this is a common area where even experienced preparers make mistakes.

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This is really helpful advice. I'm new to S corp taxation and had no idea that informal loans to the business could create debt basis. When you say "paid business expenses out of pocket," does that include things like using personal credit cards for business purchases that haven't been reimbursed yet? I've been covering some vendor payments this way while we're tight on cash flow, and I'm wondering if that affects my basis calculations.

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