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William Rivera

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I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! My elderly father has been trying to file his 2023 return for weeks and keeps getting rejected for the IP PIN despite using the correct one from the portal. What's really frustrating is that he's been assigned an IP PIN for the past 3 years due to a previous identity theft incident, and this is the first time we've encountered this problem. From reading through all these responses, it sounds like there's definitely a systematic issue with the IRS database synchronization. @Daniel Rogers - did the Identity Theft hotline agent give you any timeline for when this might be resolved system-wide? And @Anna Stewart - that Form 14039 approach sounds promising but 3 weeks seems like a long time when we're already getting close to the filing deadline. Has anyone tried the "regenerate PIN" option that @Eleanor Foster mentioned? I'm wondering if that might be a quicker fix than waiting on hold for hours or mailing forms.

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NebulaNinja

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@William Rivera I tried the regenerate PIN option that @Eleanor Foster mentioned and it worked for me! I was skeptical at first but after dealing with this issue for my aunt s return,'I decided to give it a shot. Here s what'I did: logged into her IRS account, went to the IP PIN section, clicked Get New "IP PIN there s" (a'small link at the bottom , waited)exactly 24 hours like Eleanor suggested, then used the new PIN. The return went through immediately on the first try! Much faster than waiting weeks for Form 14039 processing or sitting on hold forever. Worth trying before going the paper route, especially with the filing deadline approaching.

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This IP PIN synchronization issue is unfortunately becoming more widespread this tax season. I've been helping several community members navigate this exact problem, and what's concerning is that it seems to disproportionately affect taxpayers who were assigned IP PINs due to previous identity theft incidents rather than voluntary enrollees. Based on the experiences shared here, I'd recommend trying solutions in this order of efficiency: 1. **Regenerate PIN method** (as @NebulaNinja and @Eleanor Foster confirmed works) - quickest solution at 24-48 hours 2. **Identity Theft hotline** at 800-908-4490 for immediate system override - expect long hold times but faster than paper processing 3. **Form 14039 with cover letter** explaining the PIN rejection issue - most thorough but takes 2-3 weeks For your sister and cousin, I'd definitely start with regenerating their PINs through the portal. The fact that this is affecting multiple family members suggests it might be related to how their accounts were initially flagged in the system. One additional tip: if they regenerate PINs, make sure they clear their browser cache and log out completely before logging back in to retrieve the new PIN. Sometimes the portal shows cached information rather than the updated PIN. Keep us posted on what works - this information helps the entire community!

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Raj Gupta

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@Astrid Bergstrรถm This is incredibly helpful! As someone new to dealing with IP PIN issues, I really appreciate the step-by-step approach you ve'outlined. I ve'been lurking in this community for a while but finally decided to jump in because my own mother is facing this exact problem right now. She s'been assigned an IP PIN for the past two years after someone filed a fraudulent return using her SSN, and this is the first time we ve'encountered the rejection issue. Reading through everyone s'experiences here has been both reassuring knowing (it s'not just us and) frustrating realizing (how widespread this problem is .)I m'definitely going to try the regenerate PIN method first since it seems to have the highest success rate and fastest turnaround. Quick question though - when you mention clearing browser cache, should we also try using a different browser entirely just to be safe? My mom typically uses Safari on her iPad, but I could help her access the portal through Chrome on my laptop if that might make a difference. Thanks to everyone who s'shared their experiences - this community is a lifesaver during tax season!

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How to report 1099-NEC hobby income when tax software only shows business options?

I'm really struggling with my tax software right now. I participate in a product testing program that sends me a 1099-NEC, but this is clearly a hobby, not a business. The problem is the software only gives me these four options: Business Income (Schedule C) Farm Income (Schedule F) Farm Rental Income (Form 4835) Income employer should have reported as wages (not common) If I select business, it looks like it will file as self-employment, which isn't right because this is just a hobby! I'm not running a business testing these products. The info window says: "Nonemployee compensation is usually reported on a Form 1099-NEC. Enter this on the Your 1099-NEC or 1099-MISC Income screen. The 1099-NEC is not e-filed to the IRS like a W-2 is. **If you know where the 1099-NEC income should be reported and you don't have any federal or state tax withheld shown on the 1099-NEC, you could choose to skip entering the 1099-NEC and just enter the income directly on the income record. For example, enter income for a Schedule C record here: Your Business Income (Schedule C).**" It also mentions other possible income records including Royalty, Rental, Farm Income, Farm Rental, or as Other Income on the Other Sources of Income screen. But warns if I enter it directly, I shouldn't also enter it as a 1099-NEC or the income will be doubled. Am I missing something here? My brain is foggy today. Should I just try a different tax program?

Has anyone actually successfully filed hobby income from a 1099-NEC as "Other Income" instead of on Schedule C using TurboTax or H&R Block? When I tried this last year, TurboTax wouldn't let me skip entering the 1099-NEC into their business section.

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Ravi Kapoor

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I used FreeTaxUSA and was able to do it. There's an option to report "income not reported on a W-2 or 1099" under the "Other Income" section. I entered my product testing income there and then added a note explaining it was hobby income from a 1099-NEC. Then I just didn't enter the actual 1099-NEC form anywhere else to avoid double-counting. Got my refund with no issues.

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Chloe Anderson

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I've been dealing with this exact situation for three years now! After trying multiple approaches, here's what I've learned works best: The key is understanding that while the 1099-NEC gets issued to you, how you report it depends on the nature of your activity. For true hobby income (like product testing where you're not trying to build a business), you have two viable options: 1. Report it as "Other Income" on line 8z of Form 1040 and don't enter the 1099-NEC form itself into your tax software (to avoid doubling the income). Include a brief statement with your return explaining it's hobby income from product testing. 2. Use Schedule C but ensure your software asks about "profit motive" and answer that you're NOT engaged in this activity for profit. This should prevent self-employment tax from being calculated. The reason your current software only shows business options is because most basic programs assume all 1099-NEC income is business income. TurboTax and similar programs have this limitation. I'd recommend either switching to FreeTaxUSA (which handles this better) or using one of the specialized services mentioned above. Don't stress too much - this is a genuinely confusing area of tax law that even CPAs sometimes get wrong!

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MoonlightSonata

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This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with 1099-NEC forms and have been stressed about this exact issue. Quick question - when you say "include a brief statement with your return," do you mean like a separate document attached to the filing, or is there a specific place in the tax software to add explanatory notes? I want to make sure I document this properly so I don't get any follow-up questions from the IRS later. Also, has anyone had experience with how long it typically takes to get your refund when reporting hobby income this way? I'm wondering if it triggers any additional review processes that might slow things down.

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How long does it take to receive IRS 14-digit verification notice after filing 10 days ago?

I filed my tax return about 10 days ago and received a message that I need to verify my return. Went to the IRS official website and there's this verification page asking for a 14-digit control number from a notice they supposedly mailed me. But I haven't received anything in the mail yet. The page is titled "Verify Your Return" and has a section that says "Verify Your Notice" followed by "Did you receive an IRS return verification notice in the mail?" It explicitly states "You will need this notice to continue with this online service. If you received a notice, but don't have it with you, please come back later." There are two options on the page: 1. "Yes" - which then asks me to "Enter the 14-digit control number provided on your notice, you don't need to use spaces." 2. "No, please resend the notice" - which includes a warning that "If you have filed your return within the last 7 days, please allow an additional 14 days to receive the notice in the mail before requesting another one to be sent. You can then come back and continue verifying." Does anyone know how long these verification notices usually take to arrive? I'm on the sa.www4.irs.gov website, and since I filed 10 days ago, should I just keep waiting the full 14 days as suggested, or should I click the option to request them to resend it now? I'm getting really anxious about my refund being held up because of this verification step.

Paolo Rizzo

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I'm going through this exact same verification process right now! Filed my return 9 days ago and have been anxiously checking the mailbox every single day. The uncertainty is definitely the most stressful part - you don't know if your letter is on its way, got lost, or if there's some other issue with your return. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly reassuring though. It sounds like the 10-14 business day timeframe is pretty standard, even though it feels like forever when you're waiting for your refund. I just signed up for USPS Informed Delivery based on the suggestions here so I can at least see what mail is coming each day instead of just wondering. One thing that's helped me is realizing this verification process is actually protecting us from identity theft and fraud, even though it's frustrating in the moment. I'd rather deal with a few weeks of waiting than have someone file a fraudulent return in my name. Going to follow the advice here and wait the full 14 days before considering requesting a resend. Thanks to everyone for sharing their timelines and experiences - it really helps to know we're all navigating this stressful process together!

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Reina Salazar

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I'm literally in the exact same situation! Filed 10 days ago and have been driving myself crazy checking the mail every day. It's so helpful to see all these similar experiences - makes me feel less alone in this stressful waiting game. I also just signed up for USPS Informed Delivery after seeing it mentioned so many times here. You're absolutely right about reframing this as protection rather than just an annoying delay. I keep reminding myself that this verification system exists because identity theft in tax filing is such a real problem. Still doesn't make the waiting any easier when you're expecting that refund though! Going to try to be patient for the full 14 days like everyone suggests.

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Naila Gordon

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I'm in a very similar situation! Filed my return 8 days ago and also got flagged for verification. The waiting is definitely anxiety-inducing, especially when you're counting on that refund. Based on all the experiences shared here, it seems like the 10-14 business day window is pretty typical, though mail delays can extend it further. I just signed up for USPS Informed Delivery after seeing it recommended multiple times - what a great tip to at least know what's coming each day! It's actually really comforting to read through everyone's stories and realize this is such a common process. The uncertainty is the worst part when you don't know if your letter is on its way or lost somewhere. But seeing how many people have successfully completed verification gives me confidence it'll work out. I'm going to follow the advice here and wait the full 14 days before requesting a resend. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and timelines - it really helps to know so many of us are going through this same stressful waiting period together!

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Andrew Pinnock

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I'm right there with you all! Filed 7 days ago and have been obsessively checking the mail every single day. It's honestly such a relief to find this thread and see that so many people are going through the exact same thing. The anxiety of not knowing what's happening with your return is so real, especially when you need that refund. Just signed up for USPS Informed Delivery too after seeing everyone mention it - seems like such a simple way to reduce some of the daily stress of wondering if today's the day. I'm trying to stay patient and remember this is all for our protection against fraud, but man, when you're in day 7 of checking an empty mailbox it's hard not to worry something went wrong! Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it really does help to know we're all in this waiting game together.

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Ethan Davis

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In case it helps anyone, I found this explanation on Wheaton Precious Metals' investor FAQ page that specifically addresses taxation. It confirms they're a corporation and dividends/capital gains are taxed accordingly. They even mention that their non-direct exposure to physical metals is one reason some investors prefer them over physical gold or ETFs.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Thanks for sharing! Do you know if they issue a special tax form at the end of the year or is it just reported on the standard 1099-DIV like other stocks?

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Carmen Vega

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WPM and other streaming companies issue standard 1099-DIV forms just like any other publicly traded stock. Nothing special about their tax reporting - you'll get the same forms you'd receive from owning Apple or Microsoft. The dividends are reported in the appropriate boxes for qualified dividends, and any capital gains/losses from selling shares are reported on your regular 1099-B from your broker. Makes tax time much simpler compared to dealing with precious metals ETFs that sometimes have more complex reporting requirements.

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Ezra Collins

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Just wanted to add that the distinction between these investment types becomes really important when you're doing tax-loss harvesting. Since royalty stocks like WPM are taxed as regular stocks, you can harvest losses against other stock gains at the more favorable capital gains rates. But if you're holding physical gold or gold ETFs that are taxed as collectibles, those losses can only offset collectible gains first before being applied to regular capital gains. This is something I learned the hard way when I was trying to optimize my tax situation last year. I had losses on some gold ETFs that I couldn't use as efficiently as I thought because of the collectible classification. The streaming stocks give you much more flexibility for tax planning strategies.

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Luca Russo

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That's a really valuable point about tax-loss harvesting that I hadn't considered! I'm relatively new to precious metals investing and have been building positions in both physical gold and streaming stocks like WPM without thinking about the tax optimization strategies. So if I understand correctly, losses from my streaming stocks can offset gains from any of my regular stock positions, but losses from gold ETFs can only efficiently offset gains from other collectibles first? That definitely makes the streaming companies more attractive from a portfolio management perspective, especially since I do a lot of rebalancing throughout the year. Do you have any recommendations for resources to learn more about these tax-loss harvesting strategies with different asset classes? I want to make sure I'm not missing other optimization opportunities.

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Jace Caspullo

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Has anyone successfully used the sales tax deduction calculator in previous years? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort or if I should just stick with my state income tax deduction.

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Melody Miles

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I used it last year and saved about $300 more than if I'd deducted state income tax. I'm in Illinois where we have state income tax, but I made some big purchases. It's definitely worth checking both ways.

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Luca Romano

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I'm in a similar boat with itemizing for the first time this year! The IRS usually updates their calculators around December/January, so it's totally normal that 2024 isn't available yet. For now, you can get a rough estimate by using last year's calculator and adjusting for any major purchases you made in 2024. Since you mentioned big purchases with your new house, don't forget that you can also deduct sales tax on things like furniture, appliances, and even your car if you bought one this year - just keep all those receipts! The key is to compare your estimated sales tax deduction against your state income tax amount when you're ready to file. Whichever is higher is what you'll want to claim. Given that you're itemizing anyway for mortgage interest, it's definitely worth running both calculations to see which gives you the bigger deduction.

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Charlie Yang

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This is really helpful advice! I'm also a first-time itemizer this year and had no idea you could deduct sales tax on furniture and appliances. Does this apply to everything you buy for the house, or are there specific categories that qualify? I bought a lot of stuff setting up my new place and want to make sure I'm not missing out on any deductions I'm entitled to.

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