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Amina Diallo

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This is a great question that many people struggle with! Just to add one more important detail - make sure your daughter keeps good records of the gift transaction, including the date of transfer and the fair market value on that date. The IRS may ask for documentation if they audit the return. For the dual basis situation with the first stock, it's worth noting that if she had sold between $23 and $26 per share, she would have reported no gain or loss at all. This "no man's land" between the two basis amounts is unique to gifted depreciated assets. Also, since you mentioned this is for 2025 tax filing, keep in mind that the annual gift tax exclusion amounts may change, so double-check the current limits when you're preparing your own return if the total value exceeded the threshold.

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This is really helpful information! I'm new to understanding stock gift taxation and had no idea about the "no man's land" concept where there's no gain or loss reported. That dual basis rule seems like it could get confusing quickly. One question - when you mention keeping records of the fair market value on the transfer date, is there a specific source the IRS prefers for determining FMV? Like should it be the closing price that day, or average of high/low, or does any reasonable method work as long as it's documented? Also, does the record-keeping requirement apply to the person giving the gift too, or just the recipient?

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Ella Thompson

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Great questions! For FMV documentation, the IRS generally accepts the closing price on the date of transfer as the most straightforward method. If markets were closed on the transfer date, you'd typically use the closing price from the last trading day before the transfer. Some people use the average of high/low for that day, which is also acceptable, but closing price is simpler and widely accepted. Both the donor and recipient should keep records, but it's especially critical for the recipient since they'll need to support their basis calculations when they sell. The donor needs records mainly for gift tax reporting purposes if the annual exclusion is exceeded. I'd recommend keeping: (1) brokerage statements showing the transfer, (2) documentation of the stock price on transfer date (screenshot of financial website, newspaper clipping, etc.), and (3) records of the donor's original purchase information. Having all this organized upfront saves major headaches later during tax preparation!

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Aisha Rahman

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This is exactly the kind of situation that trips up so many families! One additional point to consider - if your daughter incurred any brokerage fees when selling the stocks, she can add those to her cost basis, which would reduce any taxable gain or increase any deductible loss. Also, since you mentioned this happened recently, make sure you both keep detailed records of the transfer date and stock prices. I learned the hard way that reconstructing this information months later can be a nightmare if you don't have good documentation from the start. The dual basis rule for gifted stock that has declined in value is one of those tax quirks that seems unnecessarily complicated, but it does serve a purpose in preventing people from gaming the system by transferring losses to family members in lower tax brackets.

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Keisha Brown

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Make sure you understand the difference between personal items, hobby sales, and business income. Each has different tax implications: Personal items: If sold for less than you paid, generally no tax impact. If sold for more, could be capital gains. Hobby income: Report full amount on Schedule 1, but post-2018 you can't deduct expenses (which sucks). Business income: Report on Schedule C, can deduct all legitimate expenses, but you'll owe self-employment tax. Your situation sounds like a mix of personal items and hobby sales. Document everything!!

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Wait, so if I sell my old PlayStation games at a garage sale for less than I paid originally, I don't need to report that at all? Even if the total is over $600? I'm confused about where the threshold is.

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GalacticGuru

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation! I've been selling off my vintage video game collection on eBay after years of collecting, and I'm so confused about how to handle this tax-wise. Like you, most of my sales are actually losses when I compare what I originally paid versus what I'm getting now. One thing that's been helpful is creating a simple three-column spreadsheet: Original Purchase Price | Sale Price | Net Gain/Loss. This makes it crystal clear that even though eBay will report the gross sales on the 1099-K, the actual taxable amount should be much lower. I've been reading through all these comments and it sounds like the key is having good documentation. I wish I had kept better records over the years, but I'm doing my best to reconstruct what I can using old credit card statements and checking price history on sites like PriceCharting for video games. The hobby vs. personal property distinction seems really important here. Since you collected these for personal enjoyment and are selling due to space constraints (not to make a profit), it sounds like you have a strong case for treating many of these as personal property sales rather than hobby income. Definitely keep that detailed spreadsheet - it shows you're being thorough and honest about tracking actual gains and losses.

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Amara Okafor

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This is really helpful to see someone else going through the same thing! I'm definitely going to set up that three-column spreadsheet format you mentioned - that sounds like a much clearer way to present the information than what I have now. You're absolutely right about the documentation being key. I've been kicking myself for not keeping better records over the years, but it's encouraging to know that reconstructing some of the data using price history sites is a valid approach. I hadn't thought of using PriceCharting - I'll have to check if there's something similar for Funko Pops. The personal property vs. hobby income distinction is what's been confusing me the most. It sounds like since we both collected for personal enjoyment rather than profit, and we're selling due to circumstances (space/money needs) rather than as an ongoing business, we might have a good argument for the personal property treatment. That would be such a relief since it would mean only reporting the actual gains rather than having to deal with that gross income reporting issue. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to know I'm not the only collector dealing with this mess!

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Sofia Peña

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Has anyone gone through an audit with collectible sales? I sold my old Barbies last year for way more than they cost in the 90s and just guessed at the original prices. Now I'm paranoid I did it wrong.

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I haven't personally been audited, but I've helped clients who have. The key is having documented your "reasonable method" for determining cost basis. If you researched what Barbies cost in the 90s and kept notes on how you estimated each item's original value, you should be fine. The IRS understands that people selling decades-old items won't have original receipts.

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Sofia Peña

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Thanks for the insight! That makes me feel better. I did actually look up some old Barbie prices online and took screenshots of what similar dolls cost back then. I should probably organize those better though - right now they're just random files on my computer.

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Amina Toure

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my old baseball card collection from the 80s and 90s. Reading through everyone's experiences has given me a much clearer picture of how to approach this. A few key takeaways I'm getting: 1. Use reasonable estimates for cost basis when original receipts aren't available 2. Document your methodology (old catalogs, price guides, etc.) 3. Track each item individually in a spreadsheet 4. Keep all supporting documentation for at least 3 years One question I have - for cards that were gifts (like most of mine were), should I try to estimate what the gift-giver paid, or is there a different approach? Most of my cards came from packs that cost maybe $1-2 back then, but individual cards are now selling for much more. Also, has anyone dealt with items that have actually decreased in value? I assume those would be capital losses, but I'm not sure if there are any special rules for personal collectibles.

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Julian Paolo

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Great summary of the key points! For cards that were gifts, you're right that the cost basis should technically be what the gift-giver paid. Since most came from packs, you could research what those packs cost back then and divide by the number of cards per pack to get a per-card basis. For example, if a 1985 Topps pack cost $0.50 and had 15 cards, that's about $0.03 per card as your starting point. Regarding losses on collectibles - this is where it gets tricky. Personal collectibles that lose value generally can't be claimed as capital losses on your tax return. The IRS treats them as personal-use property, so losses aren't deductible. However, any gains are still taxable. It's one of those asymmetrical tax situations that isn't great for taxpayers, but that's the current rule. The exception would be if you could demonstrate this was investment property rather than personal collecting, but that's a much higher bar to meet and would require showing investment intent from the beginning.

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How to handle cattle inventory on Schedule F using cash method without UNICAP or depreciation?

I've got a small micro-dairy operation with about 8 cows that's finally moved beyond the hobby stage into an actual business. From what I understand in Pub 225, I don't have to depreciate, capitalize, or amortize my cows if I don't want to, but I'm confused about how to properly report things. I sold 2 cows and bought 1 this year, and it seems like I should be using Part 1, Lines 1, 1b, and 2 of Schedule F to report these transactions? Do I just list the sale amount for each cow separately? The thing that's really confusing me is that the IRS keeps emphasizing the importance of tracking livestock inventory, but there's no specific place on Schedule F Part 1 to record actual inventory numbers. Also struggling with how to handle my other inventory items like the milk containers that customers purchase with the milk. Should those go on Line 1a/1b too? Or maybe Line 28? There doesn't seem to be a clear spot for them. To make matters worse, my H&R Block Premium software is fighting me on this. It's trying to force me to capitalize and depreciate everything, even though Pub 225 clearly states this is optional for small farms like mine. I've heard Intuit's software handles farm inventory better. Is there actually a good reason I SHOULD depreciate my cows that I'm missing? Does it significantly impact self-employment taxes or something? Any advice from fellow small farmers would be so appreciated!

I've been dealing with similar Schedule F confusion on my small sheep operation, and this thread has been incredibly helpful! What finally clicked for me was understanding that under the cash method, we're essentially treating livestock purchases like any other farm expense when we choose not to depreciate. One thing that might help with your H&R Block software issues - I found that if you go into the farm section and specifically select "Cash Method" and then look for an option about "Small Business Taxpayer" or "Uniform Capitalization Rules," you can often find a checkbox to opt out of UNICAP. This should stop the software from forcing depreciation schedules. For your milk containers, I've been reporting similar items (egg cartons that go out with my products) on Line 14 "Feed, seeds, plants, etc." with a note "Product packaging materials." This keeps them with other supply costs rather than mixed in with livestock transactions. Some preparers prefer Line 32, but either works as long as you're consistent and clear about what they are. Your instinct about keeping it simple with the cash method is probably right for a micro-dairy. The immediate deduction helps with cash flow, and avoiding the complexity of depreciation schedules means less chance for errors. You can always switch to depreciating livestock in future years if your situation changes and it becomes more advantageous. Keep detailed records even though Schedule F doesn't require formal inventory reporting - date acquired, source, cost, and eventual disposition for each animal. This documentation becomes your best friend during any IRS inquiries.

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Dananyl Lear

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This has been an incredibly thorough discussion that really clarifies the cash method options for small dairy operations! As someone just starting out with a micro-dairy similar to yours, I want to add one practical tip that helped me navigate the software issues. If you're stuck with H&R Block this year, try creating a "custom" entry under Line 32 for your cattle purchases rather than letting the software auto-categorize them. I labeled mine "Livestock purchases - cash method election" which clearly documents your choice and prevents the software from triggering depreciation schedules. This approach also makes it obvious to anyone reviewing your return that you're deliberately choosing immediate expensing over depreciation. For your milk containers, I agree with the Line 32 approach using "Product containers sold with milk" as the description. This keeps them completely separate from livestock transactions and makes audit trails much cleaner. One additional consideration - since you're transitioning from hobby to business, make sure you're documenting your profit motive clearly. The IRS likes to see business planning, separate record keeping, and efforts to improve profitability. Your detailed questions about proper reporting actually demonstrate this business approach, which strengthens your position if the hobby loss rules ever come up. The fact that you're carefully researching proper reporting methods rather than just guessing shows you're taking this seriously as a legitimate business venture. Keep that documentation mindset as you grow!

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Asher Levin

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Great discussion here! One thing I'd add regarding the tax withholding decision - since you know you have $1,200 in taxable gains, you might also want to consider your overall tax situation for the year. If you typically get a refund, having them withhold the 10% ($120 on the taxable portion) might result in a slightly larger refund. But if you usually owe money at tax time, this withholding could help reduce what you owe. Also, regarding the investment timeline - I'm seeing some people mention I Bonds, and while they're great for inflation protection, keep in mind you lose 3 months of interest if you cash them out before 5 years. Given your 2027-2028 timeline, you'd likely be cashing out between 3-4 years, so you'd forfeit some interest. Still might be worth it for the inflation protection on a portion of your funds, but factor that into your calculations. Your HYSA strategy is really the most prudent approach here. House down payments are one of those financial goals where preservation of capital trumps growth potential every time.

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Nia Jackson

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This is exactly the kind of detailed analysis I was hoping to find! The point about I Bonds losing 3 months of interest if cashed out before 5 years is really important - I hadn't realized that penalty applied to the 3-4 year timeframe I'm looking at. That definitely changes the math on whether they'd be worth it even for inflation protection. You're also right about considering my overall tax situation. I usually end up owing a small amount at tax time, so having them withhold that $120 on the taxable portion should help even things out. Better to have that cushion than scramble to come up with extra money in April. I think everyone's convinced me that the HYSA approach is the way to go. The peace of mind knowing my down payment money will definitely be there when I need it is worth more than trying to squeeze out an extra percent or two of return and risking a market downturn right when I'm ready to buy. Thanks for all the insights!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation with an old policy my parents set up for me, though mine is a bit smaller at around $2,500. Reading through all these responses really clarified the tax implications for me - I had no idea that only the gains above what was paid in premiums would be taxable. The consensus on avoiding the S&P 500 for a 2-3 year timeline makes total sense. I was also considering that route, but after seeing everyone's reasoning about market volatility and the importance of preserving capital for a house down payment, I'm definitely going to stick with safer options like a HYSA or short-term CDs. One question I have - for those who mentioned getting accurate information from insurance companies can be difficult, is there a specific department or type of representative I should ask to speak with? I want to make sure I get the right information about my policy's tax implications before I cash it out. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been one of the most informative threads I've seen on insurance payouts and tax planning!

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