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As someone who's been in your exact situation for the past 4 years, I can completely understand your concern! I collect rent and utility payments from 2-3 roommates every month through various payment apps, and I was initially worried about the same tax implications. The good news is that these payments are definitively NOT taxable income. You're receiving reimbursements for expenses you paid on behalf of your roommates, not earning money. The IRS makes a clear distinction between income (money you earn) and reimbursements (money that repays you for costs you covered). Here's what I've learned works best to keep everything clean: **Documentation strategy**: I maintain a simple Google Sheet with our monthly expenses (rent, utilities, internet) broken down by person. I also save screenshots of payment confirmations and keep copies of our lease and utility bills. **Payment app best practices**: Always ensure your roommates categorize payments as "friends/family" or "personal" rather than "goods/services." Have them include clear memos like "April rent share" or "March utilities" to create an obvious paper trail. **Stay within reimbursement bounds**: As long as you're only collecting their actual share of expenses (not charging extra fees or markups), you're clearly in reimbursement territory. The new $600 reporting threshold everyone worries about only applies to business transactions marked as "goods/services" anyway. Your situation is a textbook example of legitimate expense sharing between roommates. Keep reasonable records for your peace of mind, but you definitely don't need to report these as income!

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Lola Perez

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This is incredibly reassuring to hear from someone with 4 years of experience in this exact situation! I really appreciate you sharing your documentation strategy - the Google Sheet approach sounds perfect for keeping everything organized without being overly complicated. Your point about the $600 reporting threshold only applying to business transactions marked as "goods/services" is particularly helpful. I think a lot of the anxiety around this topic comes from people not understanding that distinction. It sounds like as long as we're consistent about using the personal payment categories and keeping basic records, we're in good shape. One quick question - have you ever had any issues with the payment apps themselves questioning the regular payments? I've heard some people mention their accounts getting flagged for "business activity" even when they're just doing roommate reimbursements, but maybe that's only when people accidentally use the wrong payment categories? Thanks again for the detailed response - it's exactly what I needed to hear to stop worrying about this!

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I haven't had any issues with payment apps flagging regular roommate payments, but I think that's because I've been consistent about using the personal/friends categories from day one. The problems I've heard about usually happen when people accidentally select "goods/services" or when there are sudden large changes in payment patterns that might look like business activity. One thing that probably helps is that my roommates and I have been pretty consistent - same people sending roughly the same amounts each month with clear memos. The apps' algorithms are looking for patterns that suggest unreported business income, not predictable roommate reimbursements. If you're ever concerned about this, you could always reach out to the payment app's customer service to clarify that these are personal reimbursements between roommates. But honestly, as long as you're using the correct payment categories and the amounts align with reasonable living expenses for your area, you should be fine. The apps want to comply with reporting requirements, but they're not trying to create problems for legitimate personal transactions!

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Sarah Jones

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I completely understand your concern about this! I was in a very similar situation last year - collecting rent and utility payments from two roommates through Venmo and Cash App, with only my name on the lease. The constant stream of payments definitely made me nervous about potential tax implications. Here's what I learned after researching this extensively and consulting with a tax professional: these payments are absolutely NOT taxable income. When your roommates send you money for their share of rent and utilities, you're receiving reimbursements, not earning income. The IRS makes a clear distinction between money you earn (taxable) versus money that repays you for expenses you covered on someone else's behalf (not taxable). A few key points that should give you peace of mind: **You're not making profit**: Since you're only collecting their actual share of the bills without any markup or fees, this is clearly reimbursement territory. **The $600 reporting rule doesn't apply**: The new payment app reporting requirements only trigger for business transactions marked as "goods/services." Personal reimbursements between friends/roommates don't fall under this rule. **Simple documentation helps**: I keep a basic spreadsheet showing our monthly expenses and each person's share, plus save copies of the lease and utility bills. Having your roommates include notes like "March rent" in payment memos creates a clear paper trail too. **Use correct payment categories**: Make sure your roommates send money as "friends/family" or "personal" payments, not "goods/services." Your situation is completely normal and legitimate - you're just handling shared living expenses in the most practical way. Don't let tax anxiety stress you out over something that's perfectly fine!

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NeonNinja

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This is such a comprehensive and reassuring response! As someone who just started living with roommates for the first time, I was getting really overwhelmed by all the conflicting information I found online about payment app reporting requirements. Your breakdown really helps clarify the key distinctions I need to understand. I especially appreciate your point about the $600 reporting rule only applying to business transactions marked as "goods/services" - I think that's where a lot of my confusion was coming from. It makes perfect sense that personal reimbursements wouldn't fall under those reporting requirements. One thing I'm curious about - when you mentioned consulting with a tax professional, did they give you any advice about what to do if you accidentally receive a 1099 form from a payment app? I'm probably overthinking this, but I want to make sure I know how to handle it if somehow these legitimate reimbursements get misreported as business income. Also, your documentation approach sounds really practical. Do you think it's worth keeping records indefinitely, or is there a reasonable timeframe after which I could safely delete old payment confirmations and spreadsheet records? Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world perspective I needed to hear!

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Kayla Morgan

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Great questions! When I spoke with my tax professional about the 1099 scenario, they said that if you accidentally receive one for legitimate reimbursements, you wouldn't just ignore it. You'd report the amount as "Other Income" on your tax return, then deduct the same amount as expenses, which effectively zeros out any tax impact. But they emphasized this scenario is very unlikely if you're consistently using personal payment categories. For record keeping, they recommended following the general rule of keeping tax-related documents for 3-7 years. Since these aren't actually tax documents (because reimbursements aren't reportable income), you could probably keep records for just 3 years to be safe. I personally keep a year-by-year folder with my lease, major utility bills, and an annual summary spreadsheet - nothing too fancy, but enough to show the pattern if anyone ever asked. The key thing my tax professional emphasized was that the IRS has much bigger fish to fry than people legitimately splitting household expenses. As long as you're not making profit and can reasonably document that these are shared living costs, you're in completely safe territory!

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As someone who just went through this exact situation last year, I can confirm most of what's been shared here is accurate! A few additional tips from my experience: **Bank Selection**: Most major banks (Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, PNC) do have international banking departments or specialists, but the quality varies significantly. I found that banks near major universities tend to be much better trained on F-1 student accounts. Credit unions can be great for rates, but as others mentioned, their international tax knowledge is hit-or-miss. **Tax Treaty Research**: I'm from Canada and initially tried to navigate the US-Canada tax treaty provisions myself using IRS Publication 901. Big mistake - it's incredibly technical! I ended up consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international students, and they found treaty benefits I would have completely missed. The consultation fee ($200) was worth it and saved me much more in taxes. **Timing Tip**: If you're planning to open your CD soon, keep in mind that banks typically generate tax forms in January. So if you open a CD in late 2024, you'll receive your first 1042-S in early 2025 for any interest earned during 2024. This can be helpful for planning your first tax filing experience with CD interest. **Documentation**: In addition to keeping copies of your W-8BEN, I'd also recommend taking screenshots of your online banking showing your non-resident status (if the bank's website displays this). It's extra backup documentation that can be helpful if issues arise. The advice about starting with a shorter-term CD is brilliant - wish I had thought of that! Good luck with your investment, @Nora Brooks!

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Zara Shah

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This is such valuable real-world insight, thank you @Madeline Blaze! The point about tax professional consultation is particularly interesting - $200 seems very reasonable if it can uncover treaty benefits that would otherwise be missed. Do you happen to remember how you found a tax professional who specializes in international students? I imagine not all tax preparers are familiar with the nuances of F-1 status and treaty provisions. The timing tip about when tax forms are generated is also really helpful for planning purposes. It's good to know that even if I open a CD late in the year, I'll still get the proper documentation for tax filing. I'm definitely leaning toward starting with a shorter-term CD now based on the advice here. It seems like the smart approach is to test out the bank's processes and documentation accuracy before committing to a longer-term investment. Plus, if there are any issues to resolve, it's better to discover them sooner rather than later. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this discussion - this thread has become an incredibly comprehensive resource for F-1 students considering CD investments!

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Noah Ali

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This has been an absolutely fantastic thread! As a newcomer to this community, I'm amazed by how comprehensive and helpful everyone's responses have been. I'm also on F-1 status (just finished my second year) and have been hesitant to open any investment accounts because the tax implications seemed so confusing. Reading through all these experiences has really clarified things for me. The key points I'm taking away are: 1. **Portfolio interest exemption** applies to CD interest for non-resident aliens 2. **Form W-8BEN** is crucial - get it right from the start and keep copies 3. **Expect 1042-S, not 1099-INT** - and be prepared to get corrections if the bank messes up 4. **State taxes vary** significantly and don't always follow federal rules 5. **Bank selection matters** - look for institutions experienced with international students The recommendations for services like taxr.ai and Claimyr are really interesting too. I had no idea these specialized tools existed for international student tax situations. The traditional tax software like TurboTax really doesn't handle our unique circumstances well. One question for the group: Has anyone had experience with online-only banks (like Marcus by Goldman Sachs, Ally Bank, etc.) for CDs as an F-1 student? They often have competitive rates, but I'm wondering if their customer service and tax document handling is reliable for non-resident aliens, or if it's better to stick with traditional banks that have physical branches and international departments. Thanks again to everyone for sharing such detailed experiences - this thread should definitely be bookmarked for future F-1 students facing the same decisions!

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Roger Romero

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Welcome to the community @Noah Ali! Great question about online banks. I actually have experience with both Ally Bank and Marcus for CDs as an F-1 student, so I can share some insights. **Ally Bank**: Generally good experience. Their customer service reps were familiar with W-8BEN requirements when I called to set up my account. They issued the correct 1042-S form without any issues. The main downside is that if you need to speak with someone about tax document corrections, you're limited to phone support, which can sometimes involve longer wait times. **Marcus by Goldman Sachs**: Mixed experience. While their rates are competitive, I had to escalate twice to find a representative who understood non-resident alien tax requirements. They eventually got everything right, but the initial setup took more effort than with traditional banks. **Key considerations for online banks**: - Make sure they can accept and process W-8BEN forms electronically - Ask specifically about their 1042-S generation process - Test their customer service knowledge before committing to longer-term CDs - Consider whether you're comfortable handling any potential issues via phone/chat only The rates are often better with online banks, but you trade off the convenience of having an in-person international banking specialist to help if issues arise. For a first CD as an F-1 student, I'd personally lean toward a traditional bank with good international support, then consider online banks once you're more familiar with the process. Hope this helps with your decision!

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I completely understand your frustration with Surgent - you're definitely not alone in this experience! The practice-question-only approach is like trying to learn piano by only playing scales without understanding music theory. Here's what I wish someone had told me when I was in your exact situation: **Essential Study Materials:** - **Gleim EA Review** - Their textbooks are comprehensive and actually explain the "why" behind tax rules. Worth every penny. - **Passkey EA Review** - Great alternative with clear explanations and practical examples - **IRS Publication 17** (Your Federal Income Tax) - Use this as your reference bible - **Circular 230** - Essential for understanding EA practice requirements **The study approach that actually works:** 1. Start with understanding concepts through textbooks BEFORE doing practice questions 2. Read one chapter thoroughly, take notes, make sure you understand the underlying principles 3. Reference the corresponding IRS publications for official language 4. THEN practice questions to test your understanding 5. When you get questions wrong, go back to learn WHY, not just what the right answer is **Free IRS resources to supplement:** - Publication 334 (Tax Guide for Small Business) - Publication 535 (Business Expenses) - Publication 225 (Farmer's Tax Guide) The fact that you want to actually understand the tax code rather than just memorize answers tells me you're going to be an excellent EA. Don't let Surgent's limitations discourage you - there are much better resources out there that will give you the solid foundation you're looking for. You're asking all the right questions. Stick with it!

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@5344dbfc7382 Thank you so much for this comprehensive breakdown! Your piano analogy really hits home - I've been trying to play complex pieces without understanding the basic music theory behind them. I'm particularly interested in your point about using IRS publications as reference rather than primary learning materials. I think I was overwhelming myself trying to read through Publication 17 from start to finish instead of using it strategically alongside a proper textbook. Your step-by-step study approach makes so much sense, especially the emphasis on understanding WHY before moving to practice questions. I think I'm going to invest in Gleim based on all the recommendations in this thread and follow your suggested method. One quick question - when you mention taking notes while reading the textbooks, do you recommend handwritten notes or digital? I'm wondering if there's a particular note-taking approach that helps with retaining tax concepts better. Really appreciate the encouragement about wanting to understand rather than memorize. This thread has given me so much more confidence that I'm approaching this the right way, even if it means starting over with better materials!

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Landon Morgan

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I feel your pain with Surgent! I went through the exact same experience and felt like I was going crazy trying to understand why I wasn't "getting it" from just practice questions. After reading through all these great recommendations, I wanted to share what finally worked for me. The key breakthrough was realizing that the EA exam isn't just testing memorization - it's testing your ability to apply tax principles to real-world situations. You can't do that without understanding the underlying concepts first. **My recommended study sequence:** 1. **Start with Gleim EA Review textbooks** - Yes, they're expensive, but they actually teach you the material systematically 2. **Use IRS Publication 17 as your reference guide** - Don't try to read it cover to cover, but use it to look up specific topics as you study 3. **Master one topic completely before moving to the next** - Read the textbook chapter, understand the concepts, then do a few practice questions to test comprehension **What changed everything for me:** Instead of asking "What's the right answer?" I started asking "What tax principle is being tested here?" Once you understand the principles, the specific applications become much clearer. The fact that you want to actually understand the tax code shows you have exactly the right mindset to become a great EA. Don't let Surgent's approach make you doubt yourself - you're not the problem, the study method is. Invest in proper textbooks that actually teach the material, and you'll be amazed at how much more confident you feel going into the exam. Stick with it - understanding the material properly is worth the extra time and investment!

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Ruby Blake

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@5049fd46fff1 Your point about asking "What tax principle is being tested here?" instead of just "What's the right answer?" is such a game-changer! I've been struggling with this exact mindset shift. I'm actually in week 2 of my own Surgent frustration and this entire thread has been incredibly eye-opening. It's reassuring to know that so many people have gone through this same experience and found better approaches. I'm definitely going to take everyone's advice here and invest in proper textbooks - probably Gleim based on all the consistent recommendations. It's frustrating to spend more money after Surgent, but it sounds like that's just the reality of proper EA exam preparation. Your sequential approach of mastering one topic completely before moving on makes so much sense. I think part of my problem has been jumping around between different tax areas without really understanding any of them deeply. Thanks for the encouragement about having the right mindset! Sometimes it feels like I'm overcomplicating things by wanting to actually understand the material, but reading everyone's experiences here confirms that's exactly the approach that leads to success.

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Nia Thompson

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Wait, I'm confused about something. If investment interest is deductible against investment income, where does the itemized vs standard deduction choice come into play? Isn't it a separate calculation?

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The itemized vs. standard deduction choice affects whether you can claim the investment interest deduction at all. Investment interest gets reported on Schedule A (Itemized Deductions). If you take the standard deduction instead of itemizing, you don't file Schedule A, so you don't get to claim any investment interest deduction. So the process works like this: 1. Calculate your potential investment interest deduction (limited to net investment income) 2. Add this to your other potential itemized deductions 3. Compare total itemized deductions to your standard deduction 4. Choose whichever is higher This is why the OP can't carry forward interest from a standard deduction year - they never claimed it on Schedule A in the first place.

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Nia Thompson

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Oh that makes sense! I was getting confused between the investment income limitation and the itemizing requirement. Thanks for clarifying!

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Javier Cruz

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Just wanted to add a practical tip for anyone dealing with this situation going forward: consider timing your margin trading activities around your deduction strategy if possible. If you know you'll be itemizing in a particular year (maybe because of high medical expenses, state taxes, or mortgage interest), that might be a better year to use margin more heavily since you'll actually be able to deduct the interest. Conversely, in years where you'll likely take the standard deduction, you might want to minimize margin use or pay it down early in the year. I learned this the hard way after accumulating significant margin interest in a standard deduction year. Now I try to coordinate my investment financing with my overall tax situation. It's not always practical since investment opportunities don't follow tax calendars, but it's worth considering as part of your broader financial planning.

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Malik Thomas

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I'm sorry for your loss, Emma. Dealing with inherited IRAs can be overwhelming during an already difficult time. The good news is that you likely don't need to worry about determining your father's basis at all. For traditional IRAs, "basis" refers to after-tax contributions that were made to the account. However, most people make only pre-tax (deductible) contributions to traditional IRAs, which means their basis would be zero. In this case, the entire inherited amount is taxable to you as ordinary income. Since you mentioned you received a 1099-R form for your 2022 distribution, check if it shows the full amount as taxable income. If so, that confirms you don't need to track down your father's basis information - just report the distribution as ordinary income on your tax return. The silver lining is that inherited IRA distributions aren't subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty that normally applies to IRA distributions before age 59½. Also, since you took the full distribution in 2022, you've satisfied all requirements and don't have any ongoing obligations related to this inherited IRA. If you're still concerned about whether your father made any non-deductible contributions, you could contact the IRA custodian to ask if they have records of such contributions, but based on your 1099-R showing full taxability, this likely isn't necessary.

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Monique Byrd

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Thank you so much for this clear explanation, @Malik Thomas! This really puts my mind at ease. I was getting so stressed thinking I needed to somehow track down decades of my dad's tax records to figure out his basis. You're absolutely right - my 1099-R does show the full distribution amount as taxable income, so it sounds like I can just treat this as ordinary income on my 2022 return and be done with it. I really appreciate you mentioning that there's no early withdrawal penalty for inherited IRAs too - I hadn't realized that and it's good to know. It's been such a relief reading through all these responses and learning that this situation is much more straightforward than I initially thought. Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their knowledge and experiences!

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I'm glad to see this thread has been so helpful for you, Emma! Just wanted to add one more practical tip based on my experience helping clients with inherited IRAs: make sure to keep a copy of your father's death certificate along with your 1099-R form when you file your taxes. While the 1099-R should have the correct distribution code indicating it's from an inherited IRA, having the death certificate provides additional documentation that this was indeed an inherited distribution (not subject to early withdrawal penalties) if the IRS ever has questions. Also, since you took the full distribution in 2022, you might want to consider whether you need to make estimated tax payments for 2023 if this distribution significantly increased your tax liability last year. The additional taxable income could affect your withholding requirements going forward. It sounds like you've got everything figured out now, but don't hesitate to consult with a tax professional if you have any concerns about how this affects your overall tax situation. Sometimes the peace of mind is worth the consultation fee, especially when dealing with larger distributions.

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This is excellent advice about keeping the death certificate with your tax documents! I hadn't thought about the estimated tax payment angle either - that's a really good point since inherited IRA distributions can create a significant tax bump that might catch people off guard the following year. I'm curious about something though - when you mention consulting with a tax professional, are there specific red flags or distribution amounts where this becomes more critical? I imagine for smaller inherited IRAs it might not be worth the consultation fee, but at what point would you generally recommend getting professional help with these situations? Also, do you know if there are any special considerations for state taxes on inherited IRA distributions? I assume it just gets treated as regular income for state purposes too, but wanted to double-check since some states have different rules for retirement account distributions.

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