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This thread has been incredibly thorough and reassuring! As someone who's been hesitant to try tax-loss harvesting due to wash sale concerns, seeing the unanimous consensus from tax professionals and experienced practitioners gives me confidence to finally implement this strategy. The key insight that really clicked for me is that VTI doesn't just correlate with VOO - it literally contains ALL of VOO plus thousands of additional securities. That's not correlation, that's a fundamental difference in what you actually own. When you put it in terms of 500 holdings versus 3,500+ holdings, the distinction becomes undeniable. I'm particularly impressed by the documentation strategies shared here. Creating a transaction log with investment rationale, saving fund prospectuses, and keeping comparison screenshots showing the massive holdings difference - these create a paper trail that clearly demonstrates the economic substance behind the swap. What's most compelling is the real-world track record. Multiple people have executed this exact strategy successfully over several years, tax preparers regularly see these transactions without IRS challenges, and even direct IRS agent feedback supports the position that different indices create sufficient distinction for tax purposes. Your 6-7 week timeline is extremely conservative and gives you multiple layers of protection. Based on everything shared in this discussion, you should feel very confident proceeding with your strategy and claiming the tax loss. The compositional differences between these funds make this one of the safer ETF swaps you can make for tax-loss harvesting purposes.

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Lena Kowalski

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As someone completely new to tax-loss harvesting, this entire discussion has been a masterclass in understanding wash sale rules and ETF differences! What really drives the point home for me is how you framed it - VTI doesn't just correlate with VOO, it literally contains ALL of VOO plus thousands more securities. That's such a clear way to think about the compositional difference. I'm also grateful for all the practical documentation tips shared throughout this thread. The idea of keeping fund comparison screenshots, transaction logs with investment rationale, and prospectuses showing different indices creates such a comprehensive paper trail. As a newcomer, I wouldn't have thought about the importance of documenting the non-tax reasons for the swap, but that really shows economic substance. The unanimous professional consensus here is remarkable - tax preparers, experienced harvesters, even IRS agent feedback all pointing to the same conclusion about different indices creating sufficient distinction. For someone just learning about this strategy, having that level of expert agreement is incredibly reassuring. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experience. This thread has given me the confidence to start exploring tax-loss harvesting myself, knowing that strategies like the VOO/VTI swap have such strong support from the practitioner community.

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As a tax professional who regularly advises clients on wash sale rules, I want to reinforce the excellent consensus that's emerged in this thread. Your VOO to VTI strategy is well-supported both legally and practically. The critical factor here is that these funds track fundamentally different market segments with materially different investment objectives. VOO provides large-cap exposure through the S&P 500, while VTI offers total market exposure including mid and small-cap stocks that VOO excludes entirely. This isn't about correlation - it's about owning distinctly different portfolios. From a compliance perspective, I always advise clients to focus on three key elements: (1) different underlying indices, (2) substantially different holdings composition, and (3) legitimate investment rationale beyond tax benefits. Your swap clearly meets all three criteria. The documentation approach discussed here is excellent - save fund prospectuses, comparison charts showing holdings differences, and maintain a transaction log with your investment reasoning. The IRS respects transactions with genuine economic substance, and the compositional differences between these funds provide exactly that. Your 6-7 week holding period exceeds what's necessary given the substantial differences between these securities, but it provides additional comfort. Based on my experience with similar client situations, you should feel confident claiming this loss while maintaining proper documentation.

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Is it legal to rent tables at a dog grooming salon? IRS guidelines on self-employed groomers

Hey everyone, I'm stressing over some tax and business structure questions! I'm a dog groomer with my own little business and I've been renting a table at a grooming salon for the past couple years. The setup is that I pay a flat monthly fee to the salon owner (who also grooms dogs herself) for the use of the space, but I operate completely independently. I handle absolutely everything myself - my own scheduling, pricing, client management, payment processing, supplies, insurance, everything. My clients call my personal number, not the salon. I file a Schedule C for self-employment income. I don't get a 1099 from the salon owner because I'm not working for her - I'm just renting space like you would rent an apartment. The owner just posted an ad for my table since I'm relocating next month, and she's getting bombarded with comments saying this arrangement is "illegal" and she'll be in huge trouble if she gets audited. But here's the thing - the previous salon owner had the exact same setup and actually DID get audited by the IRS and everything was completely fine. I know people are concerned about businesses misclassifying employees as independent contractors to avoid employment taxes, but that's not what's happening here at all. From my research, the IRS defines the employee/contractor difference based on control, and the salon owner exerts zero control over how I operate my business. I've been searching for clear info on this but can't find much. Is this table rental arrangement actually legal? I've seen IRS Form SS-8 for "Determination of Worker Status" - would it be worth the salon owner filling that out to get official confirmation? Or is there something I'm missing completely?

Ethan Wilson

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Your booth rental arrangement is completely legal and actually very smart! I'm a tax preparer who works with a lot of service industry professionals, and what you're describing is a textbook legitimate independent contractor relationship. The key thing people don't understand is that booth rental is fundamentally different from employment. You're not working FOR the salon owner - you're renting space FROM them to operate your own business. It's the same concept as renting office space, just in a shared facility. The IRS uses what's called the "economic realities test" and looks at factors like: - Who controls the work performance (you do) - Who has the opportunity for profit/loss (you do) - Who provides the tools/equipment (you do) - Whether the work is integral to the payer's business (it's not - you're running your own separate business) Your situation hits all the right marks. The fact that you file Schedule C, handle your own clients, set your own prices, and maintain separate business operations makes this crystal clear. Don't let uninformed Facebook comments stress you out! The people making those comments probably have no idea what they're talking about and are confusing this with actual employee misclassification cases they've heard about. Your arrangement is solid and the audit history proves it.

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Carmen Lopez

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This professional perspective is exactly what I needed to hear! As someone who's been in a booth rental arrangement for about a year now, I sometimes get anxious when people throw around terms like "misclassification" without really understanding what they mean. Your explanation of the "economic realities test" is super helpful - I hadn't heard it broken down that way before. It's reassuring to know that my situation clearly meets all those criteria. I do control my work, I bear the financial risk and reward, I provide all my own equipment and supplies, and I'm definitely not integral to the salon owner's business since we both operate completely independently. I think what's been confusing me is that some of the online discussions I've seen mix up legitimate booth rental with sketchy situations where employers try to call their workers "independent contractors" just to avoid paying employment taxes and benefits. But those are totally different scenarios where the "employer" still controls how, when, and where the work gets done. Thanks for the professional insight! It's great to get confirmation from someone who actually works with these tax situations regularly. I feel much more confident about my business structure now.

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As a newcomer to this community and someone considering entering the pet grooming industry, this entire thread has been incredibly educational! I'm currently researching different business models and the booth rental arrangement sounds like it could be perfect for someone like me who wants to be self-employed but isn't ready for the overhead of opening a full salon. What really stands out to me from reading everyone's experiences is how important it is to have proper documentation and maintain clear boundaries between your business and the salon's operations. The distinction between being a tenant versus an employee seems pretty clear when you look at the control factors - if you're setting your own schedule, prices, handling your own clients and supplies, you're obviously running your own business. I'm curious though - for those of you who've been doing booth rental successfully, what would you say are the biggest advantages and potential drawbacks of this model compared to other options like mobile grooming or opening your own salon? I want to make sure I understand all aspects before I commit to this path. Also, thanks to everyone who shared practical tips about rental agreements, insurance, and record-keeping. I'm definitely saving this thread as a reference guide for when I'm ready to start my business!

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I went through this exact same frustration last month! Error E4401 is indeed related to credit verification issues. In my case, I had to unfreeze Experian AND TransUnion - apparently ID.me tries multiple bureaus as backup if the first one fails. Here's what worked for me: I unfroze both bureaus for 48 hours, cleared my browser cache completely, then started the ID.me process fresh in an incognito window. The key was not rushing - I took my time with each step and made sure my lighting was good for the photo verification. One tip that saved me: have your most recent utility bill ready as backup documentation. Sometimes even after unfreezing credit, ID.me asks for additional document verification, and a utility bill with your current address can speed things up significantly. The whole process took about 20 minutes once I had everything properly set up. Good luck with your mortgage refinance!

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Thank you so much for the detailed advice! I'm definitely going to try unfreezing both Experian and TransUnion like you suggested. The tip about using incognito mode and having good lighting is really helpful - I hadn't thought about those technical details that could trip up the verification process. Quick question: when you say "cleared browser cache completely," do you mean just the regular cache clearing or did you also clear cookies and stored data? I want to make sure I'm starting with a completely clean slate before attempting this again. Also, did you have to wait any specific amount of time after unfreezing the credit bureaus before starting the ID.me process, or could you begin immediately?

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I've been dealing with similar ID.me verification issues for my IRS account access. Based on my recent experience, Error E4401 is almost always related to credit bureau verification problems. Here's what finally worked for me after multiple failed attempts: I unfroze all three major credit bureaus (Experian, Equifax, and TransUnion) for 72 hours to be absolutely sure. The key insight I discovered is that ID.me doesn't always use the same bureau for verification - it seems to depend on which one has the most recent/complete information about you. Before starting the verification process again, I also made sure to: - Use a different browser (switched from Safari to Chrome) - Clear all browser data including cookies and cache - Ensure good lighting for the selfie verification step - Have my driver's license, Social Security card, and a recent utility bill ready The entire process took about 15 minutes once I had everything properly set up. The temporary credit unfreeze was definitely the missing piece - I received confirmation that my IRS account was successfully verified within an hour of completing the ID.me process. Hope this helps save you some of the frustration I went through! The mortgage refinance timeline stress is real, but once you get past this hurdle, accessing your tax transcripts should be straightforward.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing such detailed steps! I'm curious about the 72-hour timeframe you mentioned for unfreezing the credit bureaus. Did you find that some bureaus take longer to actually process the unfreeze request, or was the 72 hours more about giving yourself a buffer in case the first attempt didn't work? Also, I'm wondering if you experienced any issues with the selfie verification step specifically. I've heard from some people that the lighting and camera angle can be really finicky, and I want to make sure I'm prepared for that part of the process. Your point about ID.me potentially using different bureaus depending on available information makes a lot of sense - that would explain why some people succeed with just unfreezing one bureau while others need to do all three.

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State tax implications when investing in MLPs - filing requirements across multiple states?

I've been diving into Master Limited Partnerships as potential investments but I'm confused about the state tax complications. MLPs use K-1s instead of 1099-DIVs since they pass earnings/losses directly to partners. I'm looking at investing in Enterprise Products Partners (EPD) and a few other MLPs. From my research, these partnerships operate across multiple states and can potentially create filing obligations in each state where they earn income. What I'm struggling to understand: 1. If an MLP allocates a small loss (say $15) from operations in a state like Colorado, am I technically required to file a tax return there? Do state tax authorities actually enforce this for tiny amounts? 2. Many MLPs distribute returns of capital that reduce your cost basis instead of being immediately taxable. Are these distributions ignored at the state level outside my home state, similar to how capital gains on stocks are typically handled? 3. For MLPs held in IRAs - if they generate more than $1000 in Unrelated Business Income across all my IRA accounts, does each custodian handle filing state taxes separately? What happens if I have multiple IRAs at different institutions that collectively exceed the threshold? 4. In an IRA, are return of capital distributions exempt from Unrelated Business Income calculations? I'm finding almost no clear guidance on the state tax implications of MLPs, even though investment sites discuss them alongside regular dividend stocks. Any insights would be appreciated!

Emma Davis

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This entire discussion has been incredibly valuable! As someone who works in financial planning, I see clients struggle with MLP complexity all the time. One additional point worth mentioning - the IRS has been increasing scrutiny on MLP investments in recent years, particularly around basis calculations and state allocations. I've had several clients receive notices requesting documentation for MLP basis adjustments going back 5+ years. This makes the record-keeping burden even more critical. For those considering the ETF route, also look at MLPX (it's newer but has a slightly different structure) and consider the impact on your overall asset allocation. Energy infrastructure can be volatile, so whether you go direct MLP or ETF route, make sure it fits your risk tolerance and portfolio diversification goals. The tax software solutions mentioned earlier (like taxr.ai) are becoming essential tools for anyone with significant MLP holdings. The cost is typically far less than what you'd pay a CPA for the same level of analysis, and the automated basis tracking alone can save you from costly mistakes down the road. Bottom line: if you're investing less than $25K total in MLPs, the ETF route almost always makes more sense. Above that threshold, direct ownership might be worth the complexity if you have good systems in place.

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Romeo Quest

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight that helps put everything in perspective! Your point about increased IRS scrutiny on MLP basis calculations is particularly concerning - having to provide documentation going back 5+ years really emphasizes why meticulous record-keeping is so crucial. The $25K threshold you mention for when direct ownership might make sense aligns well with the other position sizing guidance shared throughout this thread. It seems like there's a pretty clear consensus that smaller positions just don't justify the administrative complexity. I'm curious about your experience with clients who've received those IRS notices - were they generally able to provide adequate documentation, or did poor record-keeping lead to penalties? This kind of audit risk seems like another hidden cost that's hard to quantify upfront but could be significant. Your mention of MLPX is helpful too - I hadn't seen that fund mentioned before. Having multiple ETF options gives investors more flexibility to find the structure and fee arrangement that works best for their situation. As someone new to this community, I really appreciate how this discussion has evolved from the original state tax questions into a comprehensive analysis of the MLP investment decision framework. The collective wisdom shared here is far more valuable than anything I've found in traditional investment resources!

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As someone who's been wrestling with MLP state tax complexity for the past few years, I wanted to share a few hard-learned lessons that might help others avoid some pitfalls. First, regarding Carmen's original question about small allocations - I made the mistake of ignoring a $23 Colorado allocation from Kinder Morgan back in 2019, thinking it was too small to matter. Three years later, I received a notice from Colorado demanding the unfiled return plus penalties and interest that totaled more than the original tax owed. Lesson learned: even tiny amounts can come back to bite you. For the IRA UBTI question, I discovered the hard way that if you have MLPs across multiple IRAs that collectively exceed $1,000 in UBTI, you're responsible for coordinating the filings yourself. Your custodians won't communicate with each other. I ended up owing penalties because Fidelity filed a 990-T for $800 in UBTI while my Vanguard IRA had another $600, but neither custodian knew about the other account. One strategy that's worked well for me is focusing on MLPs with significant operations in Texas, Wyoming, and Florida - states with no income tax but also generally fewer administrative hurdles. Enterprise Products Partners (EPD) and Energy Transfer (ET) both have substantial operations in these states, which reduces the multi-state filing burden compared to more geographically diverse partnerships. The basis tracking really is crucial. I've been using a simple spreadsheet, but after reading about the software solutions mentioned here, I'm definitely going to look into automating that process. Manual tracking becomes unwieldy fast, especially when you're dealing with multiple MLPs over several years. For anyone just starting out, my advice echoes what others have said: start small with an ETF like AMLP to get sector exposure, then consider direct ownership only if you're prepared for the administrative complexity and have position sizes large enough to justify the hassle.

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@6224d287976e Logan, your real-world experiences really highlight the hidden pitfalls that make MLP investing so tricky! The Colorado situation is especially eye-opening - I had no idea states could come after such small amounts years later with penalties that exceed the original tax. Your UBTI coordination issue across multiple IRAs is something I definitely need to keep in mind. It seems like the burden is entirely on the investor to track total UBTI across all accounts, which could easily trip up someone who's not extremely organized. I'm curious about your geographic focus strategy - when you're researching MLPs like EPD and ET, do you look at their prior year K-1 supplements to understand their state footprint before investing? And have you noticed whether their geographic concentration has remained stable over time, or do these partnerships tend to expand into new states as they grow? Also, regarding that Colorado notice - did they explain how they identified your unfiled obligation? I'm wondering if states are getting more sophisticated about cross-referencing partnership data to catch non-filers, which would make ignoring small allocations increasingly risky. Your advice about starting with ETFs and only moving to direct ownership with larger positions really resonates after hearing about all these potential complications. The administrative burden seems to scale non-linearly with the complexity!

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@6224d287976e Your Colorado experience is a perfect example of why the "it's too small to matter" mindset can be dangerous with MLPs! I'm curious - did Colorado's notice provide any insight into how they identified your unfiled K-1 allocation? I've been wondering whether states are getting more sophisticated about cross-referencing partnership filings with individual returns. Your UBTI coordination issue across multiple custodians is particularly concerning. It seems like a trap that could easily catch investors who assume their brokerages are handling everything properly. Do you know if there are any services or tools that help track UBTI across multiple accounts, or is it purely a manual coordination effort? The geographic focus strategy you've developed makes a lot of sense. When researching EPD and ET's state footprints, do you review their historical K-1 supplements to see how stable their geographic concentration has been over time? I'm wondering if partnerships tend to expand into new states as they grow, which could gradually increase the filing complexity even for carefully selected MLPs. Your hard-learned lessons really reinforce why starting with ETF exposure makes sense for most investors. The penalties and coordination burdens you've encountered highlight risks that aren't obvious until you're dealing with them firsthand!

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Has anyone here used TurboTax for handling income from an LLC for coaching? I just started a small LLC for my part-time coaching work and I'm trying to figure out if I need to pay for an accountant or if I can handle it myself.

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Ava Thompson

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TurboTax Self-Employed worked fine for my coaching LLC last year. It asks all the right questions about business expenses and walks you through Schedule C stuff. Just make sure you track all your coaching-related expenses separately throughout the year - that's the part most people mess up.

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Raul Neal

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Just wanted to add that if your brother-in-law is at the D2 level, he should be extra careful about the LLC structure. The income amounts at that level usually don't justify the complexity and additional costs (LLC filing fees, separate tax returns, potential state franchise taxes). I've seen a lot of smaller college coaches get talked into LLCs by agents when they'd actually save more money just maximizing their employee benefits and retirement contributions through the school. The QBI deduction mentioned earlier phases out pretty quickly for high earners, and self-employment taxes on the LLC income can eat up a lot of the supposed savings. Before setting anything up, I'd recommend having a CPA run the numbers on his specific situation - comparing LLC vs. just negotiating for more employer-paid benefits like additional retirement contributions, health savings account maxouts, or professional development stipends that come out pre-tax.

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Khalid Howes

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This is really good advice, especially for D2 coaches. I'm curious though - at what income level does the LLC structure typically start making sense? Like is there a rough threshold where the tax benefits outweigh the complexity and costs? My brother-in-law's deal is around $85k total, so I'm wondering if that's even worth considering or if he should just focus on maxing out traditional benefits like you mentioned.

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