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I just went through this exact situation with a client. The most important technical detail: QBI loss carryovers are calculated and tracked at the TAXPAYER level, not the business level. Reg ยง1.199A-3(b)(1)(iv) states: "If the net QBI with respect to qualified trades or businesses of the taxpayer...is less than zero, the taxpayer has a negative amount of QBI with respect to those trades or businesses. If a taxpayer has a negative amount of QBI, that negative amount is treated as a loss from a qualified trade or business in the succeeding taxable year." Notice it says "of the taxpayer" - not "of the business." This language supports the interpretation that QBI carryovers remain available after disposing of the business that generated them.
This is super helpful, thank you! The regulation wording does seem to support what everyone's been saying. I just worried because my accountant wasn't 100% sure and it's a substantial amount that would take years to use up against my smaller businesses. Appreciate you citing the exact regulation!
Glad it helps! Your accountant's uncertainty is understandable - the QBI rules are still relatively new, and the IRS hasn't issued specific guidance on every scenario. The good news is that the regulatory language focuses on taxpayer-level calculations rather than business-specific tracking. One final recommendation: document everything thoroughly. Keep records showing the calculation of your QBI loss carryover amount, the disposition of the business that generated it, and the regulatory basis for continuing to apply it against future QBI. If you're ever audited, having this documentation ready will help demonstrate your reasonable interpretation of the tax rules.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I closed my consulting business last year but have substantial QBI loss carryovers. My tax preparer wasn't sure about the treatment either, but all the regulatory citations and real-world experiences shared here give me confidence that these carryovers survive business disposition. One thing I'm curious about - has anyone here actually filed returns using QBI carryovers from a disposed business and had them accepted without issue? I know the regulatory language supports it, but I'd love to hear from someone who's actually been through an audit or at least had their return processed normally with this situation. Also, for those mentioning the 2025 expiration of Section 199A, I'm wondering if it makes sense to consider converting my remaining business to a different structure to maximize QBI utilization before then. My current setup only generates modest QBI each year, so it would take forever to use up these carryovers at the current rate.
I can share some insight on your first question! I actually filed my 2023 return using QBI carryovers from a business I disposed of in 2022, and it was processed without any issues. My return was electronically accepted and I received my refund on schedule with no additional correspondence from the IRS. My tax software (TurboTax Business) automatically carried forward the negative QBI amount from the prior year and applied it against my current year QBI from my remaining rental property business. The key was making sure the carryover amount was properly documented from my 2022 Form 8995-A. Regarding business structure changes to maximize QBI - definitely worth exploring! I'd suggest running projections with your tax preparer comparing your current structure versus potentially converting to an S-Corp election or other arrangements. Just keep in mind that some structural changes can have their own tax consequences, so you'll want to model the overall impact rather than just focusing on QBI optimization. The time pressure from the 2025 expiration does make strategic planning more urgent. Even if Congress extends Section 199A, having a plan to utilize these carryovers sooner rather than later seems prudent.
As a newcomer here, I just wanted to say how helpful this entire discussion has been! I was literally googling "FreeTaxUSA vs TaxHawk" when I found this thread, and I'm so glad I did. The clarification that they're the same company saves me from continuing to compare what are essentially identical products. I've been using one of the expensive tax services for years without really questioning whether I needed all those "premium" features. Reading everyone's experiences with FreeTaxUSA, especially the tax professional's input, has convinced me that I'm probably overpaying for something that could be done just as well for a fraction of the cost. The tip about trying the free federal filing first is brilliant - that takes all the risk out of switching. I'm going to give it a shot this year and see how it goes. Even if I save just $75 compared to my current service, that's money I could put toward something more useful than tax prep software. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed, honest experiences!
Welcome to the community! I'm new here too and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening. Like you, I had no idea FreeTaxUSA and TaxHawk were the same company - I was getting so confused seeing both names everywhere when researching tax software options. I've been using H&R Block online for the past few years and paying around $90 annually, but after reading all these experiences, I'm definitely going to try FreeTaxUSA's free federal preview. The consensus seems to be that for most people with standard tax situations, there's really no reason to pay those premium prices. It's also reassuring to see so many long-term users sharing positive experiences about customer service, security, and even things like audit support. Those aren't things you typically think about when choosing tax software, but they're important if you ever need them. Looking forward to saving some money this tax season and putting it toward something more useful!
This thread has been incredibly informative! I was in the exact same position as the original poster - completely confused about whether FreeTaxUSA and TaxHawk were competitors or the same thing. Now I understand they're both operated by the same parent company, which explains why their websites and features looked so similar when I was comparing them. I've been using TurboTax for the past several years and getting increasingly frustrated with their rising prices - I paid $119 last year for federal and state filing when my tax situation is honestly pretty straightforward (W-2, some investment income, mortgage interest). Reading everyone's experiences here has me convinced that I'm throwing money away on features I don't really need. The fact that FreeTaxUSA offers free federal filing and only charges around $15 for state is amazing compared to what I've been paying. I'm definitely going to take advantage of that free federal preview that several people mentioned - being able to test drive the entire process before committing to pay for state filing removes all the risk of switching. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences, especially regarding customer support, import functionality, and even audit support. It's exactly the kind of detailed feedback that helps make these decisions. Looking forward to potentially saving $100+ this year that I can put toward my retirement savings instead of overpriced tax software!
As a tax professional, I want to add some important considerations that haven't been fully covered yet. While the strategies discussed here are technically legal, there are some nuances worth understanding: **Safe Harbor Calculations:** The 110% rule applies if your prior year AGI exceeded $150,000. But this percentage applies to your TOTAL tax liability, including self-employment taxes if applicable. Many people forget to include SE tax in their calculations and end up short. **State Variations:** States have wildly different rules. California, for example, has its own safe harbor thresholds and some states don't follow federal safe harbor rules at all. Always check your specific state requirements. **Payroll Tax Limitations:** You cannot eliminate FICA withholding (Social Security/Medicare), but there's also a limit to how much you can reduce income tax withholding if your employer suspects tax avoidance. Some companies require documentation justifying large withholding reductions. **Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT):** If you're subject to AMT, your safe harbor calculations become more complex since AMT has different rules for estimated payments. **My recommendation:** Start conservatively. Reduce withholding by 50-60% your first year while learning the system. The interest you'll earn on the float rarely justifies the stress and potential penalties if you miscalculate. Most of my clients who try this end up reverting to normal withholding after a year or two because the administrative burden outweighs the modest financial benefit. If you're determined to proceed, I'd strongly suggest running your specific situation by a tax professional first rather than relying on online calculators or general advice.
This is really helpful perspective from a professional - thank you! I hadn't considered some of these complexities, especially the state variations and AMT implications. Your point about the administrative burden often outweighing the financial benefit really resonates with what I've been reading in this thread. It seems like multiple people have mentioned that while it's technically possible and can work, the actual dollar amounts you gain aren't huge when you factor in the time and complexity. I'm definitely leaning toward your conservative approach now - maybe reducing withholding by 50% rather than trying to eliminate it entirely. That way I can still earn some interest on the float without diving into the deep end with quarterly estimated payments right away. Quick question: when you mention that some companies require documentation for large withholding reductions, what kind of documentation typically satisfies them? Is it usually just an explanation of your quarterly payment plan, or do they want to see more detailed tax calculations?
Most employers will accept a simple written explanation stating that you plan to make quarterly estimated tax payments to cover the reduced withholding. You don't usually need to provide detailed tax calculations unless they specifically ask. A basic statement like "I am reducing my tax withholding and will be making quarterly estimated tax payments to the IRS and state tax authority to meet my tax obligations" is typically sufficient. Some HR departments might ask you to acknowledge that you understand you're responsible for any penalties, but that's usually the extent of it. The key is being upfront and professional about it rather than trying to fly under the radar. Employers generally appreciate transparency since it protects them from potential liability issues. One thing I always tell clients: keep documentation of your quarterly payments (confirmation numbers, bank records, etc.) in case questions arise later during an audit or if your employer needs verification that you're actually following through on your stated plan.
I've been following this thread with great interest since I'm in a similar situation. After reading everyone's experiences, I think I'm going to take the conservative middle-ground approach that several people have suggested. My plan is to adjust my W-4 to reduce federal withholding by about 60% for next year, while leaving state and FICA alone. This should give me an extra $150-200 per paycheck to put in my HYSA without the complexity of quarterly estimated payments. I did some quick math based on my current tax situation, and even with this modest reduction, I could earn an extra $200-250 in interest annually while still having enough withheld to avoid penalties. Not huge money, but it's something, and the risk/complexity seems much more manageable. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - especially those who provided actual dollar amounts. It really helped me understand that while the "earn interest on your tax money" strategy can work, the practical benefits are often smaller than you'd expect once you factor in time and complexity. I think starting small and conservative makes the most sense for someone new to this approach. If it goes well this year, I can always optimize further in the future.
Has anyone actually tried setting up a Roth IRA for a minor? Which companies make this easy? My son is interested but I'm not sure where to start with the actual account setup.
We set one up for our daughter at Fidelity. It was pretty straightforward - it's called a Custodial Roth IRA. You'll need to open it as the parent/guardian since minors can't enter into contracts. You'll need the child's SSN and your ID. The minimum to open was $0 when we did it last year. Charles Schwab and Vanguard offer them too, but I found Fidelity's interface easier to use and they have good educational resources for teens about investing.
Great question! I've been researching this exact scenario for my own kids. The key distinction the IRS makes is between "chores" (which are considered part of normal family responsibilities) and legitimate business activities. For your specific situation with the $20 lawn mowing, if it's just your family's lawn as part of regular household chores, it typically won't qualify as earned income for IRA purposes. However, there are a few ways to make this work legitimately: 1. Help your son start an actual lawn service business where he services multiple properties in the neighborhood, not just yours. This creates genuine self-employment income. 2. If you have a business (even a side business), you could formally employ him to do lawn maintenance, office cleaning, or other legitimate business tasks at reasonable wages. 3. Consider other entrepreneurial opportunities - many teens successfully run small businesses like pet sitting, tutoring younger kids, or selling items they make. The important thing is that the work and payment need to have genuine business purpose beyond just family chores. Once he has legitimate earned income, he can contribute up to 100% of that income to a Roth IRA (up to the annual limit of $7,000 for 2025). Keep detailed records of any payments and work performed. This early start on retirement savings is an amazing gift - compound interest over 50+ years will be incredible!
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation with my 16-year-old daughter. We were thinking about having her help with some basic bookkeeping for my freelance consulting business. Would that count as legitimate business income even though she'd be working from home? I want to make sure we're doing this right from the start. Also, do you know if there are any specific record-keeping requirements beyond just tracking hours and payments?
Diego Vargas
I'm in a similar boat as an 18-year-old trying to figure this stuff out! One thing that's helped me is understanding that even though you made a profit, you're probably way below the income threshold where you'd actually need to file taxes. The standard deduction for 2024 is $14,600, so unless you're making close to that from all sources combined (gig work + ticket sales + anything else), you likely don't need to file at all. That said, I'd definitely keep records of the transaction just in case. Save your original purchase receipt and the StubHub payment confirmation. If you do end up needing to file taxes later in the year because your gig work picks up, you'll want to have everything documented. The good news is that at our age, the IRS really isn't worried about small amounts like this. They're focused on people who are clearly avoiding taxes on substantial income. But it's smart that you're asking these questions now - understanding this stuff early will make your financial life so much easier as you get older!
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Rajan Walker
โขThis is exactly the kind of practical advice I wish I had when I first started dealing with taxes! You're absolutely right about the standard deduction threshold - it's such a relief to know that small amounts like this aren't going to trigger any issues with the IRS. I'm also 18 and just starting to navigate all this financial stuff. One thing I've learned is that it's better to be overprepared than underprepared. Even if you don't need to file this year, having good documentation habits will serve you well as your income grows. Plus, if you ever need to apply for financial aid or loans, having organized records of your income can be really helpful. Thanks for sharing your perspective - it's nice to hear from someone in the same age group who's figured some of this out already!
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Melina Haruko
As someone who's been helping people navigate these situations for years, I think you're getting great advice here! Just to add a practical perspective - since you're 18 and this is your first time dealing with tax questions, I'd recommend treating this as a learning opportunity even though the amount is small. The $44 profit you made is technically taxable income, but as others mentioned, you're likely well below the filing threshold if this is your main income for the year. However, I'd suggest keeping detailed records of both the purchase and sale (screenshots, PayPal confirmations, etc.) because good documentation habits will serve you incredibly well as you start earning more. One thing I'd add - if you continue doing gig work throughout the year, you might cross that $14,600 threshold and need to file. In that case, having all your income sources documented (including this ticket sale) will make the process much smoother. Also, don't feel bad about not knowing this stuff! The tax system is confusing, and most 18-year-olds haven't had to deal with it yet. You're being smart by asking questions now rather than figuring it out the hard way later. Consider this a good introduction to the world of tax responsibility!
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Dmitry Volkov
โขThis is really helpful advice, especially about treating it as a learning opportunity! I'm also just starting to figure out all this tax stuff and it's honestly pretty overwhelming. One question I have - you mentioned keeping detailed records, but what's the best way to organize everything? Like should I be keeping physical copies of receipts or are digital screenshots good enough? And how long should I keep these records for? I don't want to be hoarding paperwork forever but I also don't want to throw away something important. Also, when you say "good documentation habits," what exactly does that mean in practice? Is it just about saving receipts or is there more to it? I want to make sure I'm setting myself up for success as I start earning more money.
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