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I think I see where the confusion is happening. Look at line 2 of your Form 8606 for 2024. You have $6,500 there, which is your basis from the previous year's non-deductible contributions. When you do a backdoor Roth, you need to track your basis across tax years. Since you did the conversion in 2024 of contributions made in 2023, plus additional contributions in 2024, the math gets a bit complex. The taxable amount should be: Total distribution ($7,204) minus your basis in the IRA ($6,500 + any other non-deductible contributions you've made in previous years that haven't been converted yet).
Thanks for pointing this out! So if I understand correctly, my 2023 contribution ($6,500) plus my 2024 contribution ($7,000) gives me a total basis of $13,500, which matches lines 3 and 5 on my Form 8606. But I only converted $7,204, leaving $6,296 as my remaining basis (line 14). Does that mean none of my conversion should be taxable? That doesn't seem right if I had earnings.
Your understanding is partially correct, but there's a key distinction. When you convert from traditional to Roth, the IRS looks at the proportion of your basis to the total value across ALL your traditional IRAs, not just the one you're converting from. If you converted $7,204, and your total basis across all traditional IRAs was $13,500, then the taxable portion would be calculated using the ratio of non-deductible contributions to total IRA balances. However, if the $7,204 includes $704 of earnings on the original $6,500 contribution, those earnings should be taxable. The fact that line 4b on your 1040 is showing "rollover" but no amount suggests the software isn't calculating this correctly. You may need to manually enter the taxable amount there.
Has anyone used TurboTax for backdoor Roth reporting? I've been trying to get mine right and it's driving me crazy. I keep getting different numbers depending on what order I enter things.
I use TurboTax every year for my backdoor Roth. The trick is to enter the 1099-R first, THEN enter Form 8606 information. If you do it the other way around, it sometimes miscalculates the taxable amount. Also, make sure you're entering your prior year non-deductible contributions correctly on line 2 of Form 8606.
Former tax professional here. One thing nobody has mentioned yet - you need to seriously consider firing this tax preparer in writing immediately. Send a certified letter stating you're terminating their services due to the unauthorized and potentially fraudulent deductions they included on your return. Also, were they a CPA, Enrolled Agent, or just someone who prepares taxes? The credentials matter for reporting purposes. If they have professional credentials, you should also report them to their governing body (state CPA board, etc.). For the immediate situation with the incorrect return, file both Forms 14157 and 14157-A to report the preparer AND file your 1040-X as soon as possible.
The guy is just some local tax preparer - not a CPA or EA as far as I know. He was recommended by a friend who said he "gets great refunds for everyone." Should have been a red flag right there! Do I still use those same forms to report him even if he's not credentialed?
Yes, absolutely use those same forms even though he's not credentialed. The IRS needs to know about all tax preparers who engage in misconduct, regardless of their credentials. Form 14157 is specifically designed to report any tax preparer who violates tax laws or engages in unethical practices. The fact he's known for "getting great refunds for everyone" is definitely concerning and suggests a pattern of improper deductions. Make sure you mention that in your report, as it indicates this may not be an isolated incident. The IRS may look into his other clients' returns if they suspect a pattern of fraudulent activity.
Something similar happened to my brother last year. The key thing nobody's mentioned is to print out and KEEP copies of both returns - the fraudulent one that was filed and your corrected version. When you file the 1040-X, attach a detailed letter explaining the situation. In my brother's case, the IRS actually called him for clarification (yes they sometimes actually call!) because the difference was so large. Having documentation ready made all the difference. His fraudulent preparer had claimed like $12k in fake business expenses.
Has anyone actually gotten through to the IRS using the normal phone numbers lately? I've been trying for THREE WEEKS to talk to someone about my CP501 notice. Every time I call, I either get the "we're too busy, call back later" message or get disconnected after waiting on hold for an hour.
I managed to get through last month but only by calling at exactly 7:00 AM Eastern when they first open. Even then I waited for 1.5 hours on hold. Tuesdays and Thursdays seem to be slightly better than Mondays from my experience.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try calling right when they open on Thursday. Did you end up resolving your issue when you finally got through? I'm still debating whether it's worth the hassle for a small amount or if I should just pay it.
For what it's worth, I had a similar situation with a CP501 for a small amount from a previous tax year that I thought was fully paid. I just went ahead and paid it online through the IRS Direct Pay system. Took about 3 minutes and I never received another notice. Sometimes the peace of mind is worth more than the $27, especially when you consider how much time you might spend trying to get it abated. Unless you're concerned this might happen again or there's a principle involved, sometimes it's just easier to pay it and move on.
PRO TIP: Take photos of your W-2 as soon as you get it! I lost mine last year and had to request a replacement which delayed my filing by 3 weeks. Most employers can reissue them but it's a hassle and takes time. Also, check if your employer offers electronic W-2s through their payroll system (like ADP or Workday). I switched to electronic delivery and now I get mine as soon as they're ready instead of waiting for the mail.
Does the electronic version work the same for filing? My tax guy always wants the "official" form and I'm worried the electronic one won't count.
The electronic version is exactly the same as the paper one for tax filing purposes - it contains all the same information and is considered an "official" form by the IRS. Your tax preparer can use it just like the paper version. I actually find the electronic ones better because there's no risk of faded print that scanners can't read properly. Plus you can download it as a PDF and keep it stored safely without worrying about losing the physical copy. Just make sure you save it somewhere secure since it has your Social Security number on it.
anybody else's employer constantly mess up their W-2?? my last company put the wrong social security number on mine 2 years in a row! had to get corrected ones both times which delayed my refund for months. so frustrating!!
Last year mine had the wrong state tax withholding amount. Double check all the numbers against your final paystub of the year! Box 1 (wages) and Box 2 (federal tax withheld) are the most important to verify. If there's a mistake, contact HR immediately for a corrected W-2.
Andre Laurent
Have you looked into whether your 17-year-olds qualify as Qualifying Children vs Qualifying Relatives? The age requirements and support tests are different, which might help. Also, if either child has any income of their own, there could be strategies around how you claim them. I had this issue last year and found that by having my 18-year-old file their own return (they had a part-time job) but still claiming them as a dependent, I was able to optimize our family's overall tax situation.
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Luca Esposito
β’One of my kids did work a summer job and made about $3,800 last year. How would that change things? Should they file their own return? Would I still claim them as a dependent?
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Andre Laurent
β’Yes, your child should definitely file their own return for that summer job income. The good news is that you can still claim them as a dependent on your return as long as you provided more than half of their support for the year and they meet the other dependent tests. When they file their own return, they'll check the box indicating "Someone can claim you as a dependent." This is actually beneficial because while you still get whatever dependent benefits you qualify for, they may get some of their withholding back if too much was taken from their paychecks. It's not a major tax strategy that will eliminate your $2500 liability, but every bit helps, and it's teaching them about tax responsibility too.
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Emily Jackson
Not sure if this helps but I'm in almost the same boat. Does the homeownership help you at all? I wasn't sure if I should itemize or take the standard deduction. My mortgage interest was around $9,200 and property taxes about $4,500.
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Liam Mendez
β’With mortgage interest of $9,200 and property taxes of $4,500, you're at $13,700 just from those two items. Add in state income taxes (up to the SALT limit) and any charitable contributions, and you might exceed the standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers, $20,800 for head of household in 2023). Run the numbers both ways to see which gives you the better result. But remember, even if itemizing only saves you a few hundred dollars over the standard deduction, that's still money in your pocket.
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