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I completely understand your concern about seeing someone else's name on your EIN documentation - this was exactly my reaction when I first got mine through a service! The good news is that what you're experiencing is absolutely normal and legitimate. When you use a third-party service to obtain an EIN, they fill out Form SS-4 on your behalf and designate themselves as the "third-party designee." This is an official IRS role that allows them to communicate with the IRS about your application and receive the EIN information. The key thing to understand is that this person has no ownership rights to your business or EIN - they were simply your authorized representative for the application process. What matters most is that your company name is correctly listed on the first line. That's what establishes ownership of the EIN for your business entity. The third-party designee name is just administrative. I've been using my EIN (which also has a service provider's name as the third-party designee) for over two years now without any issues. I've opened business bank accounts, filed taxes, signed contracts, and handled all sorts of business matters with no problems. Financial institutions and government agencies are very familiar with this arrangement since it's so common. As a fellow non-US citizen, I'd also recommend keeping good records of your correspondence with the EIN service just in case you ever need to document the authorization, though I've never actually needed to show this to anyone. You're all set to start using your EIN for any business purposes you need!
This is incredibly reassuring, thank you! As someone who's completely new to the US business system, hearing from a fellow non-citizen who's been successfully using their EIN for over two years really puts my mind at ease. Your point about keeping records of correspondence with the EIN service is really smart - I'll make sure to organize all those emails and documents in case I ever need to reference them. It sounds like it's more of a precautionary measure than something I'll actually need, but better safe than sorry. I think what was throwing me off was not understanding that "third-party designee" is an actual official IRS role rather than some informal arrangement. Now that I understand it's built into the system and widely recognized, I feel much more confident about moving forward. Thanks for sharing your experience and for the practical advice. It's so helpful to connect with other non-citizens navigating the same processes!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also a non-US citizen who recently went through the EIN application process, and I had the exact same concern when I saw someone else's name on my documentation. What really helped me understand this was realizing that the IRS has built this third-party designee system specifically to accommodate situations like ours. As non-citizens, we often need assistance navigating US business requirements, and this official designation allows qualified services to help us without any issues. I ended up calling the IRS directly (after waiting on hold for what felt like forever) to confirm everything was legitimate. The agent I spoke with explained that thousands of businesses get their EINs this way every year, and it's considered completely standard practice. She also confirmed that the EIN belongs entirely to my business regardless of who helped obtain it. One thing I wish I'd known earlier is that you can actually verify your EIN information anytime on the IRS website or by calling their business helpline. Just having that confirmation gave me so much peace of mind. For anyone else in this situation - don't stress about it! Focus on getting your business operations set up. The EIN will work perfectly fine for all your banking, tax, and business needs.
Does anyone know if u need to set this up differently for different accounting software programs? Im using Xero and it just asks me to set up "tax rates" without this recoverable/non-recoverable distinction. So confused!!!
In Xero, you typically set up tax rates differently. For US businesses, you'd usually create tax rates for what you COLLECT from customers. For purchases, you'd normally just expense the whole amount including tax since US sales tax isn't recoverable. Some software uses different terminology but the concept is the same.
This is such a common confusion point for new business owners! You're absolutely right that US sales taxes are generally non-recoverable, unlike VAT systems. When setting up QuickBooks or any accounting software for a US business, you should select "non-recoverable" for sales taxes. The key thing to remember is that in the US, you collect sales tax from your customers and remit it to the state, but any sales tax you pay on your own business purchases becomes part of your cost of goods sold or business expenses. You can't offset what you pay against what you collect like you can with VAT. For your e-commerce business, make sure you're also registered for sales tax collection in states where you have nexus (physical or economic presence). Each state has different thresholds and rules. And don't forget - while the sales tax you pay isn't "recoverable" through the sales tax system, it is deductible as a business expense on your income tax return, which still provides some tax benefit. Good luck with your new business setup!
Thanks Carmen, this is really helpful! I'm just getting started with my online business too and was wondering - when you mention registering for sales tax collection in states where you have nexus, how do you keep track of all the different state thresholds? Some states seem to have really low economic nexus thresholds (like $100K in sales) while others are higher. Is there a good resource or tool that helps monitor when you cross these thresholds across multiple states?
There's another possibility that H&R Block software sometimes messes up on: Did you indicate that you were enrolled at least half-time for one academic period in 2023? And did you verify that this is your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year claiming AOTC? You can only claim it for 4 years total. I had this issue last year where the software didn't recognize my eligibility because I accidentally indicated it was my 5th year claiming the credit (it wasn't). The software immediately disqualified me without explanation.
This happened to me too!! The H&R Block software is super sensitive to those eligibility questions. I actually had to delete my entire education section and start over to fix it. The system never explained what was wrong - just showed $0 for the credit amount.
Hey everyone! I'm a tax preparer and see this exact situation all the time. Based on what you've shared, I think there are a few things to check: First, definitely verify with your parents about the dependency status - that's crucial and could be the main issue. Second, for the scholarship allocation that others mentioned, it's totally legitimate. The IRS allows you to treat scholarship money used for room/board as taxable income, which then frees up your actual tuition payments to qualify for the AOTC. You'll pay some tax on that scholarship portion, but the credit is usually worth way more. Third, make sure in H&R Block that you're answering "No" to whether this is your 5th+ year claiming AOTC, and "Yes" to being enrolled at least half-time. Finally, don't forget you can add books, supplies, and required equipment costs to your qualified expenses even though they don't show on the 1098-T. Keep those receipts! The math usually works out that claiming the AOTC yourself (if you file independently) gives your family more money back than your parents claiming you as a dependent, especially since you're in a lower tax bracket. Good luck!
This is super helpful, thanks! I'm definitely going to check all those things you mentioned. Quick question though - when you say I can add books and supplies costs, do I need to have receipts for everything or can I estimate? I definitely spent money on textbooks and lab materials but I'm not sure I kept all the receipts. Also, is there like a reasonable limit on what I can claim for these expenses, or could the IRS question it if the amount seems too high?
I'm dealing with a similar situation as a freelance consultant - had several business expenses in 2020 but very little income due to the pandemic. From what I've researched and discussed with other self-employed folks, you definitely can and should claim those legitimate business expenses even with zero income. The key things to remember: keep all your receipts and documentation organized, make sure the expenses were genuinely for business purposes (which yours clearly were - license, insurance, conference, supplies are all standard business costs), and don't let the software warnings scare you. A net loss from a business is completely normal and legal, especially during 2020. One tip that helped me - when entering everything in the tax software, I made notes in the description fields explaining the business purpose of each expense. It helps create a clear paper trail showing these were legitimate business costs, not personal expenses you're trying to write off.
Great advice about adding notes in the description fields! I hadn't thought of that but it makes total sense to document the business purpose right in the software. As someone new to self-employment, this whole thread has been incredibly helpful. It's reassuring to know that claiming expenses with zero income is not only allowed but pretty common, especially for 2020. I'm definitely going to keep better records this year and make sure to separate business and personal expenses from the start.
This is actually a really straightforward situation that many self-employed people faced in 2020. You absolutely should report your business on Schedule C even without receiving any 1099s - the IRS doesn't require you to have received a 1099 to report business income (or in your case, $0 income). All of those expenses you mentioned - the license renewal, liability insurance, office supplies, and business conference - are completely legitimate business deductions. The fact that you had no income doesn't disqualify you from claiming them. You'll end up with a net business loss, which can actually help reduce your overall tax liability if you have other income. A few important points: Make sure you keep all receipts and documentation for these expenses. The conference expenses should be broken down properly (travel, meals at 50%, lodging, etc.). And don't worry about audit flags - business losses are normal, especially for 2020. The IRS understands that many businesses had extraordinary circumstances that year. Just file Schedule C with $0 gross receipts and list all your legitimate business expenses. Your tax software should handle this just fine.
This is really helpful confirmation! I'm in a similar boat as the original poster - had a consulting business that basically went to zero during the pandemic but still had legitimate expenses. One thing I'm curious about though - when you mention breaking down the conference expenses properly, what's the best way to handle the meal portion? Do you need to separate out exactly what was spent on meals during the conference, or can you estimate a reasonable percentage of the total conference cost?
Keisha Thompson
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Paolo Bianchi
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Ethan Taylor
Also check if you qualify for the Additional Child Tax Credit! If your regular Child Tax Credit gets reduced because you don't owe enough taxes, the Additional CTC can still give you money back as a refund. With your income level and 2 dependents, you're probably looking at a pretty decent refund between EIC, CTC, and potentially ACTC. Just make sure you have all your documents ready - W-2s, dependent SSNs, etc.
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