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Extension or not, you HAVE to pay what you estimate you owe by the original deadline or you'll get hit with penalties! The extension only gives you more time to file the paperwork, not more time to pay. I learned this the hard way last year and got charged penalties AND interest on what I owed. Don't make my mistake!
So even if I explain to the IRS that I couldn't file accurately because my employer hasn't given me my W-2, they'll still charge penalties if I end up owing?
Exactly. The IRS doesn't care why you couldn't pay on time - they only care that you didn't pay by April 15. Your issue with your employer is separate from your obligation to pay taxes on time. That's why you need to make your best estimate and pay that amount by the deadline. Think of it this way: the IRS considers your taxes due as you earn income throughout the year. The April 15 deadline is already a grace period to finalize everything. So waiting on documents doesn't extend your obligation to pay what you already owe.
Has anyone actually had success disputing penalties due to employer W-2 delays? My HR departmentt is a complete disaster this year and I'm in the same boat.
I went through this in 2023 and couldn't get the penalties removed despite documenting all my attempts to get my W-2 from my ex-employer. The IRS agent told me it's my responsibility to estimate and pay on time regardless of having the final documents. It really sucks but that's how they enforce it.
I think there's also an ethical question here beyond just "can you report it?" and "will the IRS care?" Consider your relationship with your cousin and family dynamics. Tax fraud is wrong, but is reporting your cousin worth potentially destroying family relationships? Maybe try talking to him first about how serious this is and the penalties he could face if caught? The penalties for tax fraud can include up to 75% of the underpaid tax amount plus potential criminal charges in serious cases. Maybe sharing that information might scare him straight without you having to make a report.
But if you warn them, won't they just hide the evidence better? I had a former friend who was doing something similar and when someone in our group warned him, he just got more sophisticated about hiding it. Sometimes people need to learn consequences the hard way.
That's a fair concern. If someone is determined to commit fraud, a warning might just make them better at concealing it. However, sometimes people genuinely don't realize the severity of what they're doing - they might see it as "bending the rules" rather than committing a federal offense. If you think your cousin might be receptive, a gentle approach might work: "Hey, I'm concerned about what you told me about your taxes. Those penalties can be really serious." But if they've shown they don't care about the rules or might become defensive, then you're right that a direct confrontation might not help the situation.
The IRS whistleblower program actually pays rewards if the tax fraud is substantial enough! But there's a catch - it only applies if the tax, penalties and interest exceed $2 million AND the person's annual gross income exceeds $200,000. Sounds like your cousin is way below that threshold, but thought it was worth mentioning. For smaller cases like this, you'd use Form 3949-A as others mentioned, but there's no reward. I've heard the IRS is pretty overwhelmed so smaller cases might not get immediate attention, but they do keep records and if patterns emerge they might investigate.
This transcript/WMR disconnect happened to me last year too. The transcripts finally showed up about 2 weeks after WMR said "received." Most likely your return is just sitting in the processing queue. One thing to check - did you claim any tax credits like Earned Income Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit? Those returns automatically get held until mid-February regardless of when you file, which can delay transcript updates.
Does this also happen if you claim education credits? My transcript is taking forever to update and I claimed the American Opportunity Credit.
Education credits like the American Opportunity Credit don't trigger the automatic mid-February hold like EITC and ACTC do. However, they do often get flagged for additional verification, which can slow down processing. Education credits have been subject to higher scrutiny in recent years due to increased fraud, so returns claiming them sometimes go through additional review steps. This doesn't mean you did anything wrong - it's just an extra verification layer that can add a week or two to processing time and delay transcript updates.
Has anyone tried calling the tax advocate service instead of the main IRS line? I heard they can sometimes help with figuring out what's going on with returns that seem stuck.
Tax advocates are only for hardship situations now. They don't take cases just for checking status or transcript issues unless you can prove immediate financial hardship (eviction, utilities being shut off, etc). Found that out the hard way last month!
Something nobody mentioned yet - look into "demonstration projects" for contractors. My brother-in-law is a bathroom remodeler and he has a specific business policy where he does one showcase project per year at a deep discount (sometimes even at cost) specifically for marketing purposes. He documents everything, has clients sign releases acknowledging the marketing purpose, and his accountant handles it differently than regular personal expenses. Might be worth asking a tax professional about this specific approach since it's common in the trades.
This is really interesting! Do you know if he does these showcase projects in his own home or just for select customers? And does he still write off the full cost or just a portion?
He typically does these for customers, not in his own home. The key is that there's a clear business purpose that's documented - he has customers sign a marketing release allowing him to photograph, film and show the project to potential clients. He even hosts small open houses where prospective clients can see the finished work. His accountant categorizes these as marketing expenses, but only the portion that's discounted. So if a $10,000 job is done for $6,000, he can write off $4,000 as a marketing expense. He's very careful to document everything and has a written business policy about these showcase projects. I still think your own home would be much trickier to justify, but talking to a tax pro about a formal "demonstration project" policy might be worth exploring.
Don't forget about Section 179 deduction for tools and equipment! When I started my woodworking business I was able to deduct almost $18k in equipment purchases my first year instead of depreciating them slowly. Table saw, planer, drum sander, dust collection system - all business assets. Also track EVERY mile you drive for business purposes with an app like MileIQ. Picking up materials, driving to client sites, etc. The mileage deduction adds up crazy fast.
The mileage tracking is so crucial. I neglected this my first year and probably lost thousands in deductions. Do you know what the rate per mile is for 2025? And does MileIQ work automatically or do you have to remember to turn it on?
StarSurfer
Be careful about just ignoring the C corp. I tried doing this exact thing with an S corp I formed but never used (or so I thought). Years later I got massive penalties for unfiled returns. The IRS doesn't care that "you didn't really use it" - once it exists legally, you have filing requirements. Do things properly - file the required C corp return(s), formally dissolve it with your state, and then start fresh as a sole proprietorship. Yes it's annoying and costs some money now, but way less than dealing with penalties later.
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Mei Zhang
ā¢Thanks for this warning. Can I ask how much the penalties ended up being in your case? And did you eventually have to file all the back returns anyway?
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StarSurfer
ā¢The penalties were brutal - about $5,200 for just two years of unfiled S corp returns. They hit you with $435 per month for up to 12 months per unfiled return. And yes, I still had to file all the back returns anyway, plus pay a CPA to help me sort through the mess. The worst part was reconstructing records from years ago. All told it probably cost me close to $8,000 including penalties, professional fees, and state filing costs to clean it all up. Definitely take care of this now while everything is still fresh and you have all your records easily available.
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Ava Martinez
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your LLC is taxed as a C corp but you personally paid for business expenses out of your own pocket, you might be able to get reimbursed tax-free by the corporation. Or the corporation can recognize those as capital contributions. Just something to consider when filing that 1120. Talk to a tax pro about the best way to handle any "mixed" transactions where personal and business funds got commingled.
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Miguel Castro
ā¢Great point! I was wondering about this because I have the opposite situation - I paid some personal expenses from my business account. How would that be handled on the corporate return?
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