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One thing nobody has mentioned is that W-2 withholding is treated differently than estimated payments when it comes to underpayment penalties. Withholding from paychecks is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, even if it didn't. So if you have both self-employment income AND a regular job, you could potentially increase your W-2 withholding toward the end of the year to make up for any estimated payment shortfalls from earlier quarters. The IRS treats that withholding as if it happened throughout the year, which can help you avoid the penalty. I do this every December - calculate what I might be short on estimated payments and adjust my W-2 withholding for my last few paychecks to compensate.
Does this also work with retirement account withholding? I take distributions from my IRA and could potentially increase the withholding there instead of making estimated payments.
Yes, it absolutely works with retirement account withholding too! Any federal income tax withholding (from W-2 wages, retirement distributions, etc.) is treated as if it occurred evenly throughout the year, regardless of when it actually happened. So increasing your IRA distribution withholding late in the year is a perfectly valid strategy to make up for estimated payment shortfalls. It's especially useful if you realize in November or December that you're going to owe more than expected.
One thing to be aware of is that the 100% of previous year's tax (or 110% for higher incomes) safe harbor is based on your TOTAL tax from last year, not just what you paid in estimated payments. So you need to look at your 2024 Form 1040, line 24 (Total Tax) to know what number you need to hit for 2025. This includes self-employment tax, additional Medicare tax, net investment income tax, etc. - not just income tax. Also, if your income is over $150,000 (or $75,000 if married filing separately), you need to pay 110% of last year's tax to meet the safe harbor, not just 100%.
Don't forget to claim all your mileage from doing Doordash! I did delivery apps in 2021 too and the standard mileage deduction was 56 cents per mile. That adds up FAST and can reduce your taxable income significantly. Make sure you go back and estimate your mileage as accurately as possible - total miles driven for deliveries, not just from restaurant to customer but also getting to the restaurant. If you drove 100 miles a week for Doordash, that's about $2,912 in deductions for the year!
Wait really? The mileage deduction is that much? I never tracked my miles but I was doing Doordash like 4 nights a week for about 8 months. How would I even calculate that now after so much time has passed?
You can create a reasonable estimate based on your delivery history. Most delivery apps keep a record of your deliveries - try to get that data from Doordash if you can. If that's not possible, make a good faith estimate. Calculate your average deliveries per shift, estimate miles per delivery (including driving to pickup locations), and multiply by your working days. Document how you arrived at this estimate in case of questions. For 4 nights a week for 8 months, you're looking at roughly 128 working days. Even at a conservative 30 miles per shift, that's 3,840 miles or about $2,150 in deductions! Just be honest but thorough - this could significantly reduce what you owe.
Make sure you also check if you need to file a state tax return for that Doordash income! The IRS notice is just for federal taxes, but most states will also want their cut and have separate filing requirements.
Good point about state taxes. One thing to add - some cities also have local income taxes that apply to self-employment income. I found out the hard way after getting a notice from my city tax department a year after dealing with the IRS!
Has anyone here used a PEO (Professional Employer Organization) for their C Corp? I'm in a similar situation and considering using one to handle the payroll/benefits side. Curious if it makes tax management easier when you have multiple income sources.
I've been using Justworks for my C Corp for about 2 years now. It definitely simplifies the admin side but doesn't really address the tax optimization between multiple income sources. You still need a good accountant for that part. The PEO basically just handles compliance, payroll processing, and can get you better benefits options than you'd have as a tiny company.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - timing! If your C Corp is on a different fiscal year than your personal taxes, you might have some options for timing income recognition that could be advantageous. My accountant saved me a bunch by strategically timing my salary vs distributions across tax years.
This is actually a really good point. I've used fiscal year planning with my S-Corp (mine runs Feb-Jan) and it gives me an extra month to make strategic decisions before the personal tax year ends.
I hadn't thought about the fiscal year angle at all. My C Corp is currently on a calendar year but I'm wondering if it would be worth changing that. Would it complicate my accounting too much to have different fiscal years?
One thing no one mentioned yet - even with professional help, keep really good records of everything related to the inheritance. My dad passed 3 years ago and I'm STILL dealing with tax implications from some of his more complicated investments. Having the original statements showing cost basis and acquisition dates saved me thousands when I had to sell some inherited stocks.
How long should we actually keep inheritance paperwork? I'm drowning in statements and forms from my mom's estate from last year.
Keep the original basis documentation (showing what your dad paid for investments) permanently, or at least until several years after you've sold the inherited assets. The step-up in basis rules are critical for calculating capital gains tax when you eventually sell. For the tax returns themselves and supporting documentation, the standard is to keep them for at least 7 years, but for inheritance matters I personally keep everything indefinitely. The IRS has no time limit for auditing returns where they suspect substantial underreporting, and inheritance situations are unfortunately common triggers for those kinds of reviews.
Has anyone used H&R Block for inheritance taxes? Their website says they handle it but I'm not sure if the regular preparers know about this stuff or if you need to specifically ask for someone who specializes in estates.
Yara Abboud
One thing no one has mentioned yet - did you check if your broker has any residual cash from the company's wind-down? Sometimes when companies fold, there's a small liquidation distribution that gets sent to your brokerage account. You'll want to account for that as it reduces your loss slightly. Also, check if your shares were held in a custodial account somewhere. Even though the company is gone, the shares might still be reflected in some brokerage account, which would make documentation easier.
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Dylan Cooper
ā¢I hadn't thought about checking for residual distributions. That's a great point! Do you know if the broker would have sent any notification about this, or would I need to call them specifically to ask?
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Yara Abboud
ā¢They typically send a notification, but these can easily get missed, especially if they went to an old email address or got filtered as spam. I'd definitely recommend calling your broker directly and asking if there were any final distributions related to the company. Sometimes these distributions are very small (like pennies per share) but they still affect your tax basis. Also, ask if they have any record of the exact date the shares became worthless in their system. Brokers often have this information officially recorded, which can be very helpful for tax documentation.
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PixelPioneer
Has anyone considered the impact of the ESPP discount on your cost basis? When you participate in an ESPP, you often get shares at a discount to market value. That discount is generally considered compensation income. For example, if the fair market value was $100 per share but you paid $85 through the ESPP (15% discount), that $15 discount should have been reported as income on your W-2 in the year of purchase. Your actual cost basis would then be $100 ($85 paid plus $15 reported as income). This could affect how much loss you can claim now that the shares are worthless.
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Keisha Williams
ā¢This is a really important point. I've seen people miscalculate their basis on ESPP shares all the time. The Form 3922 should show the FMV and the actual purchase price, right? So you can figure out what the discount was?
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