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Listen, I used to work at the IRS (not anymore thank god lol). The REAL truth is they don't care how big your package is π but they DO care if it's disorganized. My advice: 1. Make a cover letter explaining EXACTLY what you're requesting 2. Include a table of contents for your docs 3. Number ALL pages 4. Highlight the important parts on each doc 5. Include the relevant IRS rule that allows for late election (Rev Proc 2013-30) I processed thousands of these. The ones that got approved fastest were the organized ones, not necessarily the smallest ones.
Would you recommend mailing it certified so I have proof they received it? I've had stuff "lost" by the IRS before.
Absolutely use certified mail with return receipt. That gives you proof of when it was received and by whom. Keep a complete copy of everything you send (EVERYTHING) including the certified mail receipt. Also good practice to follow up by phone about 30 days after sending to confirm it's been received and assigned to someone. Ask for the status and document who you speak with. If you get nowhere with that call, wait 2 weeks and try again.
Has anyone actually successfully done a late s-corp election? I'm in the same boat (forgot to file my 2553 when I started my business in 2023) and now trying to fix it before filing 2024 taxes. My accountant says it's possible but I'm worried about getting denied and having to pay the higher taxes.
I did it in 2022 and got approved! The key is showing that you've been consistently treating the business as an S-corp in all your filings and operations. In my case I had filed corporate returns, taken reasonable salary, etc. They approved it retroactively even though I was like 18 months late with the election.
7 Your tax RETURN is the paperwork you file. Your tax REFUND is the money you get back. A lot of people mix these up. When you make more money, you move into higher tax brackets. While your overall withholding went up, it might not have increased at the same rate as your tax liability. The withholding tables that employers use aren't perfect for everyone's situation. You didn't necessarily do anything wrong. This is actually pretty common when people get significant raises. If you want a bigger refund next year, you can adjust your W-4 to have additional amounts withheld from each paycheck.
22 Thanks for the terminology correction! I always mess that up π€¦ββοΈ So to get a bigger refund, do I just put a specific dollar amount on line 4(c) of the W-4? Or do I need to change other parts of the form too?
7 Yes, line 4(c) on the W-4 is exactly where you'd put additional withholding. You can specify an extra amount to be withheld from each paycheck. As for how much to add, a rough calculation would be to decide how much extra refund you want, then divide by the number of pay periods remaining in the year. For example, if you want an extra $1,200 in your refund and get paid twice a month, you might put $50 in line 4(c) ($1,200 Γ· 24 pay periods = $50 per paycheck).
23 Has anyone else noticed that the standard deduction doesn't seem to keep up with inflation? When my income went up similarly to OP's, I found that deductions and credits didn't scale proportionally. The whole system seems designed to take a bigger percentage as you earn more.
16 The standard deduction actually does increase with inflation each year. For 2025 it's $14,600 for single filers, up from $14,350 in 2024. The problem is that tax brackets also adjust with inflation, but when you get a big raise that outpaces inflation, you still move into higher brackets regardless. What really doesn't scale well are certain credits and deductions that start to phase out at higher income levels. That could be another factor in why OP's refund was smaller despite paying more tax.
7 One important thing to remember about the kiddie tax: it ONLY applies to unearned income above $2,300 (for 2025). The first $1,150 is tax-free and the second $1,150 is taxed at the child's rate. Only amounts above $2,300 get taxed at the parent's rate. So if your sister only received say $2,200 in unemployment, you might not even need to worry about Form 8615 at all! Check the exact amount first.
1 Thanks for mentioning this! I just checked and her unemployment benefits were about $3100, so it looks like we'll need to use Form 8615 after all. When I use her total income ($2600 earned + $3100 unearned) to figure out her tax bracket, do I use that combined amount? Or does the kiddie tax calculation separate them?
7 The kiddie tax calculation does separate earned income from unearned income. Her $2600 from the mall job is taxed normally at her own tax rates. For the unemployment benefits of $3100, the first $1,150 is tax-free, the next $1,150 is taxed at her rate, and only the remaining $800 would be taxed at your parents' rate. Form 8615 walks you through this calculation step by step. You'll need your parents' tax info though, specifically their taxable income and tax amount from their return, to complete the form. This is why it gets complicated - you're essentially calculating part of her tax using their information.
4 Does anyone know if stimulus payments or pandemic relief count as unearned income for kiddie tax purposes? My daughter received some unemployment plus the extra federal pandemic amount, and I'm not sure how to treat it on Form 8615.
8 The regular unemployment benefits count as unearned income and would be reported on Form 8615. However, the stimulus payments (economic impact payments) were technically advance tax credits and are NOT considered income at all - neither earned nor unearned. Those don't get reported as income on the tax return.
What if the exchange happens in a different tax year but the value is exactly the same? I ordered something in Nov 2023 for $1500, exchanged it for a different model in Jan 2024 that also cost $1500. Do I still only expense it in 2024?
Yes, you would still expense it in 2024. The tax year for the deduction is based on when you put the item into service for your business, not when the money was spent. If you never used the original item and returned/exchanged it, then the deduction happens in 2024 when you got and started using the correct item.
Thanks for clarifying! That makes sense. I was confused because I technically spent the money in 2023, but I see now that what matters is when I actually started using the item in my business operations.
Actually I think some ppl here are giving wrong info. I'm pretty sure you need to count the refund as income in 2024 and then deduct the new purchase separately. At least that's what my tax guy told me for a similar situation with my LLC.
That's not correct for a straight exchange. If you got a full refund and then made a separate purchase, maybe, but for an exchange of products it's treated as a single corrected transaction. The IRS doesn't expect you to report a refund as income in most cases - especially when it's just correcting a purchase.
Andre Dupont
One thing to keep in mind about partnership years: if you have a foreign partnership with a fiscal year-end that doesn't match up with your tax year, you might have a mismatch between when income is earned and when it's reported. For example, if your foreign partnership's fiscal year ends on May 31, 2024, you're reporting income on your 2024 return that was actually earned between June 1, 2023 and May 31, 2024. Some of that income was from 2023! This is all normal and how it's supposed to work, but it can create planning challenges if the partnership has significant fluctuations in income from year to year.
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MoonlightSonata
β’That's a really good point I hadn't considered. So even though some of the partnership income was earned in 2023, I'm reporting all of it on my 2024 personal return because the partnership's fiscal year ended within my 2024 tax year? Does this create any issues if I also have to file foreign bank account reports (FBARs) or Form 8938? Do those forms follow the same rules?
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Andre Dupont
β’Yes, that's exactly right. All of the partnership income from their complete fiscal year (June 2023-May 2024) goes on your 2024 personal return. That's just how partnership taxation works. For FBARs and Form 8938, those follow different rules. Those forms are based on the calendar year reporting and the maximum value of accounts during that calendar year. So your FBAR and 8938 for 2024 would cover January 1 to December 31, 2024, regardless of any partnership fiscal years.
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Zoe Papadakis
Has anyone tried calling the Taxpayer Advocate Service about this instead of the regular IRS number? I've heard they can sometimes help with confusing form issues like this.
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ThunderBolt7
β’The Taxpayer Advocate Service is really only for when you have an actual tax problem that hasn't been resolved through normal IRS channels. They probably won't help with just form questions unless you've already filed incorrectly and are having issues. Your best bet for form questions is either the regular IRS help line (if you can get through) or a qualified tax professional who specializes in international taxation.
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