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Just wanted to share that the IRS has been somewhat inconsistent with how they want TFSAs reported. Some tax preparers file Form 3520 and Form 3520-A (for foreign trusts), while others argue that TFSAs should be treated like any other foreign financial account requiring just FBAR and possibly Form 8938. In my experience, many tax professionals now take the position that a TFSA is NOT a foreign trust and therefore Form 3520 isn't required. But this isn't universally agreed upon, which is why this is such a confusing area. If you want to be extra cautious, reporting it on Form 3520 covers all bases, but it adds complexity to your return. Whatever approach you take, document your reasoning in case you're ever questioned.
Thanks for this info! Did you end up filing Form 3520 for your TFSA, or did you go with just FBAR and 8938? I'm trying to understand what the majority of people in this situation are doing.
I initially filed Form 3520 for my TFSA for two years, following advice from my first cross-border tax specialist. It was a paperwork headache and added considerable complexity to my returns. After consulting with another tax professional who specializes specifically in US-Canada issues, I switched to reporting my TFSA on FBAR and Form 8938 only, with a note explaining the account's status. This professional provided me with several IRS memorandums and case examples supporting the position that most standard TFSAs don't meet the technical definition of foreign trusts requiring 3520 filing.
Be careful with TFSA and US tax reporting! The tax treaty between US-Canada doesn't recognize the tax-free status of TFSAs for US tax purposes. Even if you solve the Form 3520 issue, you still need to report any income/gains from the TFSA on your US tax return. This is why many dual citizens eventually close their TFSAs - the reporting requirements and US tax on the earnings often outweigh the Canadian tax benefits.
Having been an international student advisor for years, I can share that you should definitely use your last US address from when you were physically present in 2019. For the substantial presence test exception, you're on the right track with the citations, but make sure you also complete Part II of Form 8843 completely. Since your OPT was pending and then approved (even though you didn't use it), you maintained your F-1 status during that period in 2019, which means you still qualify for the student exemption from the substantial presence test. Keep in mind that the 5-year rule might impact you soon if you return to the US, since you started in 2013. After 5 calendar years of presence as a student, the substantial presence test exemption begins to have limitations.
Thank you for this detailed information. I've been worried about the 5-year rule. Since I started school in Fall 2013 and left in March 2019, have I already exceeded the 5-year limit for the student exemption? Or does it work by calendar years rather than academic years?
The 5-year rule works by calendar years, not academic years. So if you were first present as a student in 2013, then 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 would be your five exempt years. Starting in 2018, you would need to count days toward the substantial presence test. However, there's an important exception - you can still claim the exemption beyond 5 years if you can establish that you do not intend to reside permanently in the US and you have substantially complied with the requirements of your visa. Since you left the US and canceled your OPT, you have a strong case that you didn't intend to remain permanently, which might allow you to claim the exemption for 2018 and the partial year 2019 as well.
Just a quick tip - make sure you're using the correct version of Form 8843 for the 2019 tax year. The IRS sometimes updates these forms, and using the wrong year's form could delay processing. Has anyone used TurboTax or other software for filing as a former international student? I'm in a similar situation.
I tried using TurboTax for my international student filing and it was a disaster. It's really not designed for nonresident aliens or Form 8843. I ended up having to do it manually. H&R Block has slightly better options for international students but still limited.
Has anyone had experience with both FreeTaxUSA and TaxSlayer? I used FreeTaxUSA last year and hit the exact AGI issue mentioned in this post. Considering TaxSlayer for next filing season, but wanted real opinions before switching.
I've used both! TaxSlayer has a better interface imo and I never had the AGI verification issue with them. Their deluxe version is like $40 and includes one state return which is way cheaper than TurboTax or H&R Block. FreeTaxUSA is cheaper but TaxSlayer's extra guidance was worth it for me.
I actually had the opposite experience with FreeTaxUSA. Been using them for 5 years with zero issues. The e-filing has always worked smoothly for me and my returns are fairly complex with self-employment income, investment accounts, and rental property. Their customer service responded within hours when I had questions. Only cost me $12.95 for federal + state filing this past season, which is ridiculously cheap compared to TurboTax ($89+) or H&R Block ($75+). Maybe I've just been lucky but wanted to provide a different perspective!
Interesting to hear you've had such a good experience! Do you think there might be something specific about certain tax situations that causes the AGI verification issues for some people? Also, have you ever had to amend a return with them, and if so, how was that process?
I think the AGI verification issues might be related to specific scenarios like amended returns or returns with unusual adjustments. Since my tax situation is complex but consistent year-to-year, that might be why I haven't had problems. I did have to amend a return once due to a late-arriving K-1 form. The amendment process with FreeTaxUSA was actually pretty straightforward. They walk you through which forms need to be updated, generate the 1040-X, and provide clear instructions for mailing the paper amendment. They don't offer e-filing for amendments, but that's true for most tax software since the IRS only recently started accepting e-filed amendments.
One option nobody's mentioned yet is an Offer in Compromise, where the IRS agrees to settle your tax debt for less than the full amount if you can prove you'll never reasonably be able to pay it all. My brother owed nearly $18k and got it settled for about $6k. You need to complete Form 656 and there's an application fee, but it could be worth looking into if your financial situation is really dire.
Thanks for bringing this up! Would I qualify for an Offer in Compromise with only $2,400 owed? I always thought that was for people with massive tax debts. My financial situation isn't great, but I do have steady income - just not enough extra to pay this all at once.
There's no minimum amount required for an Offer in Compromise, but with only $2,400 owed, it might not be your best option. The application fee is $205 unless you qualify for low-income certification, and the process can take 6-24 months with no guarantee of acceptance. In your situation with steady income, a long-term payment plan is probably more practical. The IRS will likely approve a 72-month plan with payments around $40-50 per month on your balance. That's much easier to manage and doesn't require the extensive financial documentation an OIC needs.
Whatever you do DO NOT ignore the IRS!!! I made that mistake in 2021 and ended up with a tax lien that destroyed my credit. Plus the penalties and interest nearly doubled my original amount. Call them asap and get on a payment plan you can actually afford even if its small monthly payments. They just want to see your making an effort.
Mikayla Brown
I'm a little confused about how this works. If the partnership earns income but you can't access it due to a lockup, are you basically paying taxes with your own money on income you haven't received yet? That seems unfair.
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Haley Bennett
โขYes, that's exactly what happens and it's called "phantom income." It's one of the downsides of partnership investments. You're taxed on your share of partnership earnings whether or not they distribute that cash to you. Think of it this way: the partnership is not a separate taxpayer - it's a pass-through entity. So when the partnership earns $100, and you own 10%, it's treated as if YOU earned $10 directly, regardless of whether they distribute that $10 to you or keep it in the business. The lockup only affects when you can withdraw your capital, not when income is recognized for tax purposes.
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Sean Matthews
Can someone clarify what happens when you eventually DO get access to the money after the lockup period? Do you get taxed again when you actually receive the cash?
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Ali Anderson
โขNo, you don't get taxed twice. When you eventually receive distributions, they're generally not taxable again (assuming they don't exceed your basis in the partnership). The distribution is basically a return of capital that you've already paid tax on. Your basis in the partnership increases by your share of income (that you've already paid tax on) and decreases by distributions. This accounting mechanism prevents double taxation.
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