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Asher Levin

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One thing to consider is that your paycheck might have had other irregular factors that affected withholding. Did you get any bonuses or commission in that paycheck with zero federal tax? Sometimes those can be taxed differently and mess up the calculations. Also, if your pay periods aren't consistent (like if you get paid bi-weekly vs. semi-monthly), that can sometimes cause weird withholding amounts. I'd wait to see what happens with your next normal paycheck before making changes. If it shows zero federal withholding again, then definitely update your W-4 with additional withholding.

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Thanks for the suggestion! I checked and there weren't any irregular payments or bonuses - it was just my standard salary payment. And we're on a consistent bi-weekly schedule. The only change was adding the new dependent on my W-4. I'll definitely keep an eye on my next paycheck though!

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Serene Snow

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From what you described, you need to adjust your W-4 ASAP. With a $72k salary and a non-working spouse, even with two dependents, you'll definitely owe federal taxes. The Child Tax Credit helps but doesn't eliminate your tax liability. I'd recommend adding a fixed dollar amount to line 4(c) on a new W-4. For your income level, probably around $150-200 per paycheck would be appropriate. You could also check the box for "higher tax rates" in step 2 if you want to be extra cautious. The worst thing is to reach April 2025 and suddenly owe thousands in taxes plus potential underpayment penalties.

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Wouldn't checking the box in step 2 withhold at the higher single rate? That might be too much withholding for someone with 2 kids and a stay-at-home spouse. Could create too big a refund, which is just giving the government an interest-free loan.

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Isaiah Cross

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I think everyone's overcomplicating this. The question is simple - did you file Articles of Organization with your state? If yes, you formed an LLC, which means BOIR filing is required. If you never filed anything with the state and are just using a business name, that's a sole proprietorship. Check your state's business entity search portal - just Google "[your state] business entity search" and type in your business name. It will show what type of entity you registered.

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Alice Pierce

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Thanks for this tip! I just looked up my businesses on my state's portal and they're definitely LLCs. I guess I need to do the BOIR filing after all. Do you know if there's any easy way to complete it without hiring someone? I have 3 properties/LLCs so it seems like it could get expensive fast.

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Isaiah Cross

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The BOIR filing isn't too complicated if you're a single-member LLC. You'll need to create an account on FinCEN's BOI E-Filing System, and then provide basic information about yourself as the beneficial owner (name, address, ID number) and your company (legal name, address, formation info). Since you're both the company applicant (person who formed the LLC) and the beneficial owner (person who owns/controls it), it's pretty straightforward. If you have all your formation documents handy, you can probably complete all three filings in 1-2 hours. Much cheaper than paying someone hundreds of dollars per LLC!

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Kiara Greene

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Just FYI for everyone - the BOIR deadline for existing companies is January 1, 2025. If your LLCs were created before January 1, 2024, that's your deadline. If they were created during 2024, you have 90 days from formation date. Don't stress too much, but don't wait until the last minute either!

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Evelyn Kelly

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Do you happen to know what the penalties are if you miss the deadline? I have a bunch of single member LLCs and I'm traveling until mid-January.

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Kiara Greene

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The penalties can be pretty severe - civil penalties up to $500 per day for violations, and criminal penalties up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to 2 years for willful violations. But I wouldn't stress too much about your mid-January return if you're making a good faith effort to comply. Government agencies rarely begin aggressive enforcement immediately after a new filing requirement. That said, you should probably at least create your FinCEN account before you leave and maybe start gathering the information you'll need.

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Amara Eze

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Don't forget about the Earned Income Credit if your income is within the limits. With two qualifying children and your income level, you might be eligible. The income limits for 2024 are higher than last year. Also, you definitely need to look into the Child Tax Credit. For 2024, it's worth up to $2,000 per qualifying child under 17. Since you had the kids for more nights, you have a strong case to claim this.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Do I still qualify for child tax credits if my income was around $80k total (including the contractor work)? I thought there were phaseouts.

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Amara Eze

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Yes, you should still qualify. The Child Tax Credit begins to phase out at $200,000 for single filers and $400,000 for married filing jointly. With your total income around $80k, you're well below those thresholds, so you should be eligible for the full amount for each qualifying child. The Earned Income Credit has lower income limits, so you'd need to check those specifically based on your filing status and number of qualifying children. But the Child Tax Credit should definitely be available to you based on the income information you've shared.

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Just wanted to add something about the contractor income - make sure you're tracking EVERYTHING for next year. I got audited because of my side gig and it was a nightmare. Get a separate credit card for business expenses, take photos of receipts with your phone, and log your mileage with an app. And definitely make quarterlys next year! The penalty isn't usually huge but why pay extra if you don't have to?

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NeonNomad

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What app do you use for mileage? I've been trying to keep track on a notepad but I always forget.

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I use MileIQ and it's been a lifesaver. It automatically tracks all your drives and then you just swipe right for business or left for personal. Super easy and creates IRS-ready reports. Some people also like Everlance or Stride. Another tip: set calendar reminders for quarterly tax payments (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15). The IRS doesn't send reminders and it's easy to forget, especially that weird June one that's only two months after April!

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Something important no one's mentioned yet - have you talked to your grandparents about this? They might not even be planning to claim you as a dependent regardless of whether you qualify or not. My parents technically could have claimed me for one year during college based on the support test, but they chose not to because I got better education tax credits filing independently. Sometimes it makes more financial sense for the student to claim themselves even if they could be claimed by someone else. It's worth having the conversation because if they're not planning to claim you, your decision is easy. But if they are planning to claim you and you don't qualify (or vice versa), you'll want to sort that out before either of you file to avoid problems.

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No, I actually haven't had that conversation with them yet! That's a really good point. To be honest, I've been avoiding bringing it up because money discussions are always awkward in our family. But you're right - they might not even be planning to claim me regardless of whether I qualify. Is there a significant difference in the tax benefits between them claiming me vs. me filing as independent? I'm wondering if there's an obvious financial advantage one way or the other that could guide the conversation.

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There can be significant differences! If you file independently and paid for education expenses, you might qualify for education credits like the American Opportunity Credit (up to $2,500) or the Lifetime Learning Credit. These credits are usually more valuable to a student with lower income than to grandparents who might be in a higher tax bracket. On the other hand, if your grandparents claim you, they might get a dependent tax credit (though this is reduced at certain income levels). The key is figuring out which arrangement saves the most money overall between both tax returns. Sometimes families even split the difference - like if you filing independently saves $2,000 in taxes versus them claiming you, maybe they could give you a portion of that difference since they're losing the dependent benefit.

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Emma Olsen

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I'm seeing a lot of confusion about the definitions here. I went through this with my son recently, so let me clarify some terms: For a Qualifying Child (which would apply to grandchildren too): - Must be under 19, or under 24 if a full-time student - Must live with the taxpayer for more than half the year - Must not provide more than half of their own support - The income test of $4,300 ONLY applies to Qualifying Relatives, NOT Qualifying Children So if you're a full-time student under 24, the $31,000 income doesn't automatically disqualify you! The key test is whether you provide more than half your own support. Calculate ALL your annual expenses (housing value, food, utilities, tuition, books, clothing, medical, transportation, phone, etc.) and figure out how much of that YOU paid versus your grandparents. That's what determines dependency status.

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Wait, are you sure about that? I thought there was definitely an income limit for being claimed as a dependent regardless of whether you're a qualifying child or relative. This is so confusing!

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Emma Olsen

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You're confusing two different tests. There IS an income test, but only for Qualifying Relatives, not for Qualifying Children. A student under 24 can be claimed as a Qualifying Child regardless of their income amount, as long as they don't provide more than half of their own support and meet the other tests. The IRS is very clear about this in Publication 501. The confusion happens because people mix up the rules for Qualifying Children vs. Qualifying Relatives. As a college student under 24, the original poster would be evaluated under the Qualifying Child tests, where there is NO income limit - only the support test matters.

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I think everyone is missing something important here. OP, you said your dad died in 2021 and mom filed MFJ that year, then filed as qualifying widow for 2022 and 2023. That's correct procedure. But to qualify as a surviving spouse (widow), there's a two-year limit after the year your spouse died. So if your dad passed in 2021, she could use qualifying widow status for 2022 and 2023 tax years, but not for 2024 (which would be filed in 2025). Has the IRS specified which tax year they're disputing? If they're challenging her 2022 or 2023 returns, then the student status of your sister is probably the issue as others mentioned. But if they're saying she can't file as qualifying widow for her upcoming 2024 return, that would actually be correct - the two-year period is ending.

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They're disputing her 2023 return (the one we filed earlier this year). And you're right about the timeline - dad passed in 2021, so she filed MFJ for 2021, then qualifying widow for 2022 and 2023. According to what others are saying, it seems the issue is definitely about my sister not being a full-time student.

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Thanks for clarifying! Then yes, it does sound like the issue is about your sister's status as a qualifying child. Since she was over 19 and not a full-time student, she wouldn't meet the qualifying child definition for this purpose, even though she's still a legitimate dependent. The distinction between "qualifying child" and "qualifying relative" dependents trips up a lot of people. For the surviving spouse filing status, you specifically need a qualifying child dependent, not just any dependent.

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Sean Kelly

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Just want to add that your mom should definitely respond to the IRS rather than ignoring the letter. The $6,300 they're asking for might actually be negotiable. If this is her first time having an issue, she might qualify for first-time penalty abatement, which could reduce some of the amount. Also, was your sister enrolled at least half-time in college? There's a difference between "not full-time" and "less than half-time" for various tax purposes. If she was at least half-time, it might be worth mentioning in your response to the IRS.

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Zara Malik

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This is good advice. I work with tax resolution cases, and the IRS will often work with taxpayers who are proactive. Even if the filing status determination is correct, there are options: 1) Payment plans (as mentioned) 2) Penalty abatement (can reduce the bill significantly) 3) In some cases, partial dispute of the assessment Don't just pay the full amount without exploring these options!

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